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Jeffrey Wells: Leader of the new blacklist? (updated)

By July 30, 2008No Comments

Okay, I know it prob­ably does not behoove me to tweak oth­er, more ostens­ibly power­ful blog­gers, and while some may not buy this, I gen­er­ally don’t like to bring polit­ics into this blo­g’s dis­course unless it’s dir­ectly related to, you know, le cinema—and the times that I have done that, I’ve rather regret­ted it—but hell, this is just too rich. 

Our story begins a few days back, Monday, July 28th to be exact, when the excep­tion­ally, erm, unusu­al news­pa­per The Washington Times pub­lished a rather, shall we say, quer­ulous op-ed by act­or Jon Voight, in which he opined that if Barack Obama were elec­ted pres­id­ent, Obama would turn the United States social­ist. (The weaselly but pos­sibly leg­ally neces­sary words “it seems to me” pre­ceded Voight’s omin­ous pre­di­cition.) Voight also used the word “bar­bar­i­an­ism” where “bar­bar­ity” would have suf­ficed, but that’s just me. It was pretty out there, and seemed a trifle fac­tu­ally unsup­por­ted by my sights, but hell, it’s appar­ently the guy’s opin­ion, and I take it about as ser­i­ously as I take most movie act­ors’ polit­ic­al opinions.
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But the piece cer­tainly got up the nose of our old pal Jeffrey Wells (pic­tured). Followers of his Hollywood Elsewhere site know him as, among oth­er things, a thor­oughly unre­con­struc­ted Obama supporter…and a guy whose lack of, or maybe will­ful cast­ing aside of, cer­tain fil­ters makes him an unfail­ingly enter­tain­ing read. Weighing in on the Voight piece on the 29th, he wrote, “My hon­est deep-down reac­tion is that I now have a reas­on to feel neg­at­ively about the guy. I’m not say­ing Voight is on the HE shit list…and I cer­tainly don’t think a sym­bol­ic con­dem­na­tion along these lines would mat­ter much to any­one. Nonetheless, it’s going to be hard hence­forth not to think of Voight as some kind of dis­eased wingnut.”

This post yiel­ded a more-than-usually-spirited bout in the com­ments sec­tion, where I myself weighed in. I should have stuck with my ori­gin­al thought, which was, “You’ve seen both The Champ AND Table For Five, and it’s only now you have a reas­on to feel neg­at­ively about Voight,” but instead I opted for a not-so-funny obser­va­tion on The Washington Times and a com­par­is­on of Voight’s piece with the old Monty Python “there’s a com­mun­ist peep­ing out of my wife’s blouse” bit. The thread, incid­ent­ally, also con­tains the thoughts of quite a few who agree with Voight.

Over at National Review Online, the ever-droll Kathryn Jean Lopez took note of the, erm, ker­fuffle, writ­ing, “Jon Voight…incites a cyber-comment riot. It’s tough to be con­ser­vat­ive in Hollywood. But Breitbart’s got your back.”

Who is this Breitbart of which she speaks? Why, it’s none oth­er than Andrew Breitbart, once and per­haps future writ­ing part­ner of my old charge Mark Ebner, pro­pri­eter of his own web­site, and newly min­ted colum­nist for the afore­men­tioned Washington Times. His column, inas­much as I can tell from its first three install­ments, is all about how con­ser­vat­ives can­’t get a break in Hollywood, and hell, if he can milk that theme for the next 30 weeks or so, he’ll have earned my resepct. But giv­en that about 40% of his latest column, also offered up by the Washington Times on the 28th, con­sists of him bitch­ing about some shit George Clooney said three years ago, my hopes aren’t par­tic­u­larly high. The oth­er 60% of the column con­sists of the mus­ings of Breitbart’s father-in-law, Orson Bean, com­par­ing the black­list of the HUAC and/or McCarthy era to the dirty looks Hollywood con­ser­vat­ives get from their lib­er­al col­leagues today. 

Now, again, we get into my fail­ings as a reader—what I thought was most fas­cin­at­ing about the column is the way Breitbart first gloats over the fact that he’s in Mexico on Orson’s dime: Bean “last week took our entire fam­ily down to Mexico for his 80th birth­day;” and then looks down his nose at the accom­mod­a­tions Bean secured for this sojourn: “Orson recalled over watered-down dark rum pina col­a­das poolside at Club Med.” This sort of per­verse close read­ing often causes me lose the point. 

Which is why the cla­ri­fy­ing summing-up of one such as Instapundit’s Glenn Reynolds is always a ton­ic. Here we go, with all links reproduced: 

SEQUENCE: Jon Voight cri­ti­cizes Obama. Andrew Breitbart talks about a new Hollywood black­list. Jeffrey Wells puts Voight on shit list. “It’s going to be hard hence­forth not to think of Voight as some kind of dis­eased wing­nut.… it’s only nat­ur­al that industry-based Obama sup­port­ers will hence­forth regard him askance. Honestly? If I were a pro­du­cer and I had to make a cast­ing decision about hir­ing Voight or some older act­or who had­n’t pissed me off with an idi­ot­ic Washington Times op-ed piece, I might very well say to myself, ‘Voight? Let him eat cake.’ ” How estab­lish­ment is Wells? He’s got a per­man­ent Drudge link. (Via Kaus.)

I gotta tell you, when I read that I almost had a stroke. WELLS HAS A PERMANENT DRUDGE LINK??? Are you frick­ing kid­ding me? Wow, what a jack­ass I am. All those times I saw Jeff at Cannes in May and said, “Oh, hi Jeff,” instead of fall­ing to my knees, fish­ing out his naughty bits, and orally manip­u­lat­ing him to completion…WHAT ON EARTH WAS I THINKING???

Anyone who fol­lows Jeff’s mus­ings with any reg­u­lar­ity knows that…well, how can I put this…very little of what he wants to hap­pen actu­ally hap­pens. Josh Brolin is not going to make a short about his arrest in Shreveport, Louisiana. Peter Jackson is not going to stop mak­ing films. And so on, and so on, and so on. But now a fairly sub­stan­tial num­ber of blo­go­sphere reg­u­lars are going to have to be on the alert for Wells, because he’s a VERY ESTABLISHMENT GUY who’s say­ing that Jon Voight is not a guy he would hire, if he was a pro­du­cer, which he’s not.

Not to be too old school or any­thing, but ROTFLMAO. 

UPDATE: Whoa. I see the fel­lows at Powerline, Time Magazine’s Bloggers of the Year for 2004, have joined in on the pile-on. Wells argues coher­ently in his own defense here. Let Wells be Wells, I say. I still insist that Reynold’s tri­al bal­loon for the “When Wells says ‘jump,’ Hollywood says ‘How high?’ meme is hilarious. 

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  • MovieMan0283 says:

    Conservatives, if you want to be tough guys, be tough guys. If you want to be whiners, go ahead and whine. But you can­’t have it both ways.
    Incidentally, I like Jon Voight. I once atten­ded a Q&A he gave, and he spent 30 minutes talk­ing about how much he loved work­ing on Anaconda. Political eccent­ri­city just goes with the ter­rit­ory I sup­pose. People like him don’t both­er me, whatever I think of their opin­ions. They’re like the pro­ver­bi­al crazy uncle whose rants and raves keep things from get­ting to dull at the din­ner table. On the oth­er hand, smirk­ing little ideo­logues like K‑Lo at NRO drive me up the wall (and that goes for both sides of the aisle though the right cer­tainly seems to have the mono­lopoly on “woe-is-me by the way I hate those whiners on the oth­er side” hypo­crisy these days. All I want is to see twits like her and Hannity face up to the fact that a) the American people are NOT on their side; b) their com­plete lack of stoicism is unbe­com­ing for people who like to con­sider them­selves tra­di­tion­al­ists; c) they are just as much knee-jerk ideo­logues as the more PC dopes on the oth­er side.

  • D Cairns says:

    It’s a strange com­par­is­on for the right to be mak­ing, since accord­ing to Ann Coulter, as I under­stand it, the black­list was a good thing.
    Differences between then and now? As far as I know, there is no US gov­ern­ment invest­ig­a­tion to find out who’s a Republican so they can be banned from work­ing. Instead, we have the pos­sib­il­ity that when an act­or chooses to mouth off in pub­lic about his or her views, some poten­tial employ­ers might be put off. Correct me if I’m wrong, but has­n’t that always been the case, and does­n’t it fall under the head­ing “fair enough”?

  • bill says:

    It’s true, Ann Coulter speaks for every last con­ser­vat­ive. If she says it, I believe it.
    As for the rest of it, no, I don’t believe that Voight is going to lose much work for this, as he’s been work­ing stead­ily for forty years, and has been openly con­ser­vat­ive for some time. Same with Dennis Hopper, and oth­ers. And Charlie Sheen did­n’t get bounced off his shitty TV show for being a 9/11 Truther.
    However, I think it’s quite fair to say that con­ser­vat­ives in Hollywood are looked at “askance” by their legion of lib­er­al col­leagues. And I just find the whole notion that they’re whispered about as though they have herpes or some­thing to be…I sup­pose “inter­est­ing” is the word I’m look­ing for.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    Your point is val­id, Bill—but I also think it has to do with years of built-up per­cep­tion cre­at­ing a real­ity; a self-fulfilling proph­ecy, if you will. The fal­lout from both the Cold War and the coun­ter­cul­ture mol­ded Hollywood into a cul­ture wherein the baseline expect­a­tion was that if you worked there, you simply HAD to be a lib­er­al. Which of course is not so, and there’s no legit­im­ate reas­on it should be so. Might make an inter­est­ing his­tor­ic­al study…
    That said, I don’t think Breitbart treats the issue with any par­tic­u­lar acu­ity. “Mr. Spielberg, tear down this wall,” was the title of his first column, and that was a cheap shot in any num­ber of respects.

  • bill says:

    Yes, I would say that’s most likely true, and would explain a cer­tain amount of sur­prise felt by a large group of lib­er­als who sud­denly dis­cov­er a few con­ser­vat­ives in their midst. But I get the feel­ing that “sur­prise” does­n’t quite cov­er it. I think “black­list” over­shoots it, but the reac­tion isn’t positive.

  • Campaspe says:

    When the gov­ern­ment revokes Voight’s pass­port I’ll take the HUAC com­par­is­on seriously.

  • bill says:

    I agree with every­one: HUAC and the black­list was bad.
    But does it both­er any of you that, say, Dalton Trumbo was a lifelong unre­pen­tent sup­port­er of Communism, and Stalinism? What if he’d been a lifelong sup­port­er of fas­cism, and Nazism?

  • Joel says:

    Wait… Why is Jon Voight writ­ing op-ed pieces for a news­pa­per? Or was that John Voight the periodontist?

  • bill says:

    For the same reas­on Sean Penn writes open let­ters to the President.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    Bill—interesting ques­tion, one whose answer, at least as far as I’m con­cerned, con­tin­ues to evolve. It ties in with some of the obser­va­tions Kent Jones made on a thread after I pos­ted on Stephanie Zacherek’s review of that Godard biography.
    So—I’m actu­ally not bothered by the fact that Trumbo was an unre­pent­ant Stalinist, because Trumbo the artist means very little to me. I think most of his stuff is high-minded pap. The great films his name is attached, or not offi­cially attached, to, aren’t great because of him. If I thought he was a great artist, if I had some rev­er­ence or awe for his work, then, yeah, I sup­pose it would both­er me. I’d be repelled, much as I’m repelled by the anti-semitism of Wagner or Celine or Pound. Except that for me, Wagner and Celine and Pound are all great artists whose works are worth grap­pling with. I wish they had not been anti-semites, but they were, and inso­far as that is evid­ent in the work, I have to grapple with it. All told, I think Flaubert’s dictum to George Sand means more to me all the time: “The man is noth­ing, the work is everything.” Judging artists by who seems the nicest guy, who’s got the “best” polit­ics, who’s got the worst, and such, is like, say, choos­ing a President based on which can­did­ate you’d rather have a beer with.
    As for Trumbo, there’s more sen­ti­ment­al­ity than Stalinism in the all-important work. But if he did in fact keep fly­ing the flag for old Joe until his dying day, he does­n’t even qual­i­fy for Kingsley Amis’ famed des­ig­na­tion “fuck­ing fool” (e.g. a fool who you expect to know better).
    And I think about as highly of Sean Penn’s efforts in the op-ed arena as I do Voight’s.

  • Campaspe says:

    Yes, it both­ers me. But what I look at is the movies, and when I look at the black­list era what I see are tattered filmo­graph­ies for many tal­en­ted indi­vidu­als. We’ll nev­er know just how much American film lost through those years, and no one has ever been able to prove that the nation­al secur­ity was improved by it in any respect. The fact that Trumbo embraced a bank­rupt and mor­ally blinkered ideo­logy does­n’t turn Roman Holiday into I Am Cuba. Communism in the U.S. remained a dis­tinctly minor­ity view with no great pop­u­lar trac­tion whatever. (The same can­not be said, how­ever, for quasi-fascist organ­iz­a­tions viol­ently enfor­cing segreg­a­tion in the South.)
    It is also worth not­ing that unlike Trumbo, a num­ber of black­lis­ted indi­vidu­als were not Communists at all, or had long since dis­avowed the party.
    In any event, all this is a digres­sion. While Glenn’s line about “The Champ” made me laugh harder than I have all week, Voight is a tal­en­ted act­or who was mem­or­able indeed in things like Midnight Cowboy and Deliverance. If he wants to write tenden­tious op-eds he can knock him­self out as far as I’m con­cerned. The next time he’s in a good movie I’ll still go see it, and I find Wells’ atti­tude puzz­ling. But his notion that a few people chok­ing on their canapes when a cocktail-party guest plumps for Bush some­how equals the wreck­age of the black­list era is rubbish.
    And any­way, aren’t people like NRO’s Corner all pro­claim­ing that Christopher Nolan delib­er­ately pro­duced a pro-Bush allegory? They can­’t have it both ways – “Hollywood’s hot­test dir­ect­or loves Bush, and the par­al­lels are obvi­ous, but all the same there’s a GOP BLACKLIST I tell you.” Why the insist­ence on turn­ing Then Vs. Now into some sort of vic­tim­iz­a­tion Grand Prix?

  • Campaspe says:

    Excuse me, that should be “THE notion that a few people chok­ing …” not “HIS notion.” Bad pro­noun ante­cedent. I was talk­ing about Voight’s defend­ers, not Voight.

  • bill says:

    Glenn, I’m actu­ally pretty much with you on all of that. Admiring the artist­ic endeavors of someone who you also know to be a miser­able bas­tard is a dif­fi­cult conun­drum we all have to wrestle with. But my point – which, for some reas­on, I did­n’t both­er stat­ing – was more that HUAC and the black­list are always thrown around in these sorts of con­ver­sa­tions without ever being put in its prop­er con­text. I am assuredly not the per­son who can really put it in its prop­er con­text, but I do think that it’s worth not­ing that Trumbo WAS a Stalinist, and know­ing what we all do about Stalin, maybe there was a good reas­on for HUAC. It all went very badly, of course, and people quite inno­cent of any­thing suffered. I’m just a little tired of all American Communists of the time being por­trayed as brave little guys who just wanted the poor and meek and get their fair share. People like Trumbo – and he was­n’t alone – sup­por­ted a mur­der­ous, night­mar­ish tyr­ant, and wanted some­thing sim­il­ar to rise up in America. Whether they deluded them­selves about the “mur­der­ous” part (I ima­gine they prob­ably did) quickly becomes irrelevant.

  • Dan says:

    Well, let’s see here:
    1) I do not care about the polit­ic­al opin­ions of Jon Voight.
    2) I do not care about any opin­ion held by Jeffrey Wells (I can see the two of us in a bar hav­ing a beer rap­idly turn­ing into some kind of fist­fight, which is why I don’t vis­it Hollywood Elsewhere).
    So I’m left with apathy. Voight’s entitled to his opin­ion and frankly I’d rather have argu­ments over wheth­er or not Obama is a social­ist (and all the Europeans read­ing are laugh­ing like hell at the idea, I’m sure) than yet MORE racewank.

  • cadavra says:

    If I based my moviego­ing on a per­son’s polit­ics, I’d have missed an awful lot of clas­sic movies from Ford, Hawks (who was anti-Semitic, f’God’s sake), Capra, McCarey, etc., not to men­tion those star­ring John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, Myrna Loy, Jean Arthur, Charlton Heston, Bob Hope, Adolphe Menjou, Clint Eastwood, et al.
    I think I may set up a web­site to list all of the Hollywood folks who have acknow­ledged they’re con­ser­vat­ives. The list would be sev­er­al miles long.

  • bill says:

    Don’t for­get Kevin Sorbo.

  • Joel says:

    bill,
    My ques­tion was not rhet­or­ic­al. I really want to know why Jon Voight is writ­ing op-eds. With Penn, I expect it (and, like most people, find it annoy­ing). I had no idea that Voight was one of those I’m-an-actor-so-I-have-to-have-a-public-opinion-on-everything blow­hards. And why should the National Review really treas­ure his opin­ion? Why are the polit­ic­al opin­ions of act­ors so import­ant? What about the opin­ions of sous-chefs on the NBA-referee scan­dal? Or the opin­ions of land­scape archi­tects on media con­sol­id­a­tion? Am I the only one that sees the polit­ic­al thoughts of all act­ors as non-sequiters? If it’s about the cam­paign money, then I sup­pose I can under­stand. The pro­pa­ganda value of Voight’s opin­ion for the Right, how­ever, will prob­ably be about as import­ant as Penn’s opin­ions are for the Left–i.e. neut­ral at best, but most likely harm­ful. I only wish the Democrats had FEWER act­ors on their side.

  • bill says:

    Joel – That’s fair enough, and so I shall now answer your ques­tion: I have no idea. I know that Voight some­times makes the rounds on con­ser­vat­ive talk shows, though I don’t think ever heard him.
    As a con­ser­vat­ive film lov­er, the only reas­on my day might be brightened by news of an act­or’s (or oth­er artist’s) polit­ic­al views would be if the per­son was tal­en­ted I could at least think, “Well, there’s ONE, any­way.” Juvenile and mean­ing­less, I’ll admit, but one takes what one can get to get through the day.
    Then again, you have a guy like Gary Sinise who is a con­ser­vat­ive and is quietly out there doing good, decent, con­crete things to help US sol­diers and Iraqi cit­izens. I like know­ing that, though his deeds would be just as good if he were a lib­er­al, obviously.

  • Herman Scobie says:

    I’m with those who ignore the polit­ic­al views of those in the arts. John Wayne’s extrem­ist opin­ions don’t dis­tract from my enjoy­ment of his excel­lent per­form­ances in The Quiet Man and The Searchers.
    I admire Voight for his abil­ity to restart his career as a char­ac­ter act­or after his days as a star were long gone. Like William Hurt, he’s actu­ally much bet­ter in sup­port­ing roles than as a lead­ing man.
    The prob­lem with his Obama com­ments is not that he’s a con­ser­vat­ive dar­ing to offer his views in pub­lic. There’s abso­lutely noth­ing wrong with celebrit­ies talk­ing about politics–as long as they’re well informed about whatever the issues are. Voight’s com­ments, how­ever, verge on the rav­ings of a lun­at­ic. Obama is the dev­il, and if he’s elec­ted, we’ll all have to look under the bed before going to sleep. In this regard, he’s the right-wing ver­sion of Sean Penn, a par­tic­u­larly obnox­ious, know-very-little blowhard.
    cada­v­ra: I’ve always seen Loy iden­ti­fied as a devout Democrat, and I don’t recall Jean Arthur’s polit­ics being dis­cussed in John Oller’s out­stand­ing bio.
    bill: While put­ting the black­list into his­tor­ic­al con­text, we have to remem­ber that Trumbo and his pals did­n’t just wake up one morn­ing and decide to be com­mies. Their views were products the social and eco­nom­ic tur­moil of their times, helped along by the anti-union policies of the Hollywood stu­di­os. I haven’t seen the new Trumbo doc yet, but in all the inter­views I’ve seen and read, he comes off as an insuf­fer­ably smug bastard.
    I’ve been a loy­al Wells read­er since his Mr. Hollywood days, and while I don’t agree with much of what he says about movies and oth­er topics–his view of McCain’s new anti-Obama ad yes­ter­day was espe­cially obtuse–he is endear­ing because of the pas­sion and live­li­ness of his writ­ing. He’s a true American eccentric.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    To get back to some of the points made above by Bill and Campaspe…I think they’re both right! In the scramble to claim the highest mor­al ground, more often than not truth, or at the very least, hon­esty, is the first cas­u­alty. Yes, HUAC as con­duc­ted was a trav­esty and a tragedy. And also yes, Alger Hiss was guilty as sin. And it goes on and on. But finally, Campaspe’s point about the black­list res­ult­ing in quite a bit more than social ostra­ciz­a­tion is what makes the latter-day com­par­is­ons most galling. Cadavra’s list of some of our favor­ite stars is also constructive…it almost makes one believe that Hollywood was once a place of lively polit­ic­al debate rather than polarization.

  • Campaspe says:

    While I don’t par­tic­u­larly care about an act­or’s views once I sit down to watch a movie, neither do I sub­scribe to the idea that act­ors’ polit­ic­al opin­ions are intrins­ic­ally worth­less. There are plenty of act­ors with cogent and well-thought-out polit­ic­al beliefs, and plenty of examples of bene­fi­cial act­iv­ism on the part of act­ors. Even if we’re talk­ing about a total gas­bag, if an act­or feels a duty to use his fame as a plat­form, so what? As dis­taste­ful as I found Voight’s edit­or­i­al, I find Laura’s Ingraham’s exhorta­tion to “Shut Up and Sing” to be about ten times worse–as well as his­tor­ic­ally illit­er­ate, since where would Ms Ingraham be if Mr. Reagan had fol­lowed her advice?

  • bill says:

    Cadavra’s list of some of our favor­ite stars is also constructive…it almost makes one believe that Hollywood was once a place of lively polit­ic­al debate rather than polarization.”
    Excellent point. Oh well. Those were the days, I guess.

  • Marilyn says:

    I’ve had the art vs. artist dis­cus­sion so many times that I’d prefer it if all art were cre­ated by robots in future.
    What does interest me about this dis­cus­sion is the fact that Voight was able to pub­lish an op-ed in The Washington Times. Why does he get space and someone with fact-based opin­ions does­n’t? Because 1) he’s a celebrity, our coun­try’s new author­ity class on just about everything, 2) he’s a celebrity who will draw star­gaz­ing read­ers, par­tic­u­larly fans of Angeline Jolie, 3) he’s a celebrity who is guar­an­teed to say some­thing so inar­tic­u­late that it will become con­tro­ver­sial and buzz all over the world
    Number 3 is the most import­ant, and this post and all the oth­er blogs that have com­men­ted on it prove how news­pa­pers get trac­tion these days. More and more pun­dits from gov­ern­ment ser­vice are now on news staffs or reg­u­lar colum­nists. More and more colum­nists are say­ing out­rageous things that will pro­voke a response. If you read The Daily Howler reg­u­larly, you’ll become very famil­i­ar with the cul­prits and their M.O. The inter­net has made it easi­er for pun­dit nar­rat­ives to be accep­ted facts in a mat­ter of hours. Whether you believe in Voight’s opin­ion, his view is now trav­el­ling at the speed of light around the world. I won­der if Wells’ is get­ting farther than the enter­tain­ment blogs?
    When it comes to Hollywood, I would­n’t count on it being so all-fired lib­er­al. People with money like to keep it, and that often brings out the con­ser­vat­ive streak when push comes to shove.

  • bill says:

    Hurm? I was over at HE, read­ing the com­ments for the post wherein Wells explains him­self, and someone there is glad I “boy­cott” that site. Did I say I boy­cott it? I can­’t ima­gine I did say that, because I don’t. Also, this has been a very civil dis­cus­sion, so I can only assume Mr. or Mrs. T. S. Idiot dis­likes me because I don’t agree with them about something.
    Since I tried to com­ment over there, but had some log-in com­puter issues, Mr or Mrs. Idiot, if you’re still read­ing, I apo­lo­gize for not agree­ing with you about whatever it is we don’t agree about.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    That com­ment struck me as kind of odd too. But, you know, I can­not be respons­ible for any of the state­ments of com­menters at Jeff’s site.

  • Dan Coyle says:

    http://www.dirtyharrysplace.com
    THIS should be an inter­est­ing site to look at for y’all…

  • christian says:

    Wells is quite pleased with his new ban­ning phase, so it comes as no sur­prise he would meta­phor­ic­ally sug­gest one in real­ity. Such is the dis­tance between alleged lib­er­als and future fascists.

  • Joel says:

    I’m cer­tainly not tak­ing the opin­ion that someone’s polit­ic­al views are mean­ing­less just because that per­son is a fam­ous act­or. I’m tak­ing the opin­ion that a news­pa­per ask­ing a celebrity to write an op-ed piece BECAUSE he is a fam­ous act­or is weird. Unless that per­son has decided to run for office, or even plays a major role in some kind of polit­ic­al organ­iz­a­tion, then his opin­ion is just the opin­ion of aver­age citizen–valuable when it comes time to vote, but inex­plic­ably weird to encounter in a daily news­pa­per, even one that fills the Reverend Moon’s cof­fers. However, I was not aware that Voight has been on con­ser­vat­ive talk shows, which at least gives this edit­or­i­al decision a smidgen of pre­ced­ent. And Bill, I think that Sinise is an excel­lent per­son to point to and say, “Well, there’s ONE any­way.” A very good act­or, and, from what I can tell, a decent guy.

  • Marilyn says:

    There are indeed some act­ors and act­resses who have opin­ions they can val­id­ate with facts and cogent argu­ments. Those opin­ions are val­id, in my opin­ion. Jon Voight’s com­ment­ary had neither. That the W.T. chose to run it is evid­ence to me that they wanted to cre­ate buzz, not encour­age the devel­op­ment of insight.

  • Brian says:

    Wait, why does any­one give a shit what Jon Voight thinks? Am I the only one who suffered through his aston­ish­ing non-performance in Transformers? Seriously, he raised “phoning it in” to the level of art. He did­n’t even phone it in, it’s more like he text mes­saged it in. And the text mes­sage had lots of spelling and gram­mar errors. And the con­tent of the mes­sage read some­thing like, “I eat shit!”

  • Herman Scobie says:

    Probably Mr., Mrs., or Ms. Idiot means that the sig­na­ture “bill” is absent from the fre­quent posters at HE. Given the con­trast between bill’s views and Wells’s, a boy­cott was assumed, though this con­trast has not stopped numer­ous oth­ers from pil­ing on our Jeffrey.

  • steve simels says:

    But does it both­er any of you that, say, Dalton Trumbo was a lifelong unre­pen­tent sup­port­er of Communism, and Stalinism? What if he’d been a lifelong sup­port­er of fas­cism, and Nazism?
    Posted by:bill | July 31, 2008 at 11:27 AM
    That’s like me say­ing I’d be cute if I had a dif­fer­ent face. It’s an inter­est­ing thought, but essen­tially meaningless.
    In any case, I’m not sure if describ­ing Trumbo as an unre­pent­ant Stalinist has any resemb­lance to some­thing that might be described as “the truth.”

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    Steve, with all due respect (and love, which you know I’ve got for you in abund­ance), the con­ver­sa­tion’s moved on a bit from the com­ment you cite. We’re in what I con­sider a pretty pos­it­ive groove of dis­agree­ing as reas­on­able people will. Trumbo’s case is a pretty multi-leveled one—I think my assess­ment of him slighted “Roman Holiday,” a favor­ite of Campaspe’s.
    Let me divert the crowd with a whacked-out anec­dote. One of my all-time favor­ite musi­cians (as you know, Steve), Robert Wyatt, once recor­ded a cov­er of a song called “Stalin Wasn’t Stallin,” a weird quasi-gospel tune ori­gin­ally recor­ded by Willie Johnson and the Golden Gate Jubilee Quartet. It was a cel­eb­ra­tion of Stalin’s tac­tics dur­ing World War II, and Wyatt recor­ded it, as per Wikipedia, “to remind the West of the select­ive memory they had dur­ing the Cold War about this earli­er alliance.”
    Oy. Catchy little tune, with Wyatt multi-tracking the four-part har­mony. And, yeah, there are a num­ber of his­tor­i­ans who aver that absent Stalin’s resourcefulness/ruthlessness, WW II would have in fact been lost to the fas­cists. And then what a mess we might have been in.
    But still.
    It was about 1985, and I was at a party for the first Arto Lindsay/Ambitious Lovers LP over at Danceteria, and I was pre­par­ing a big piece on Wyatt for the Village Voice. I was hob­nob­bing with a then new-music big­wig (ini­tials R. T.) who had recently vis­ited Wyatt in Britain. “I would­n’t say Robert’s actu­ally a Stalinist,” he noted. “I mean, he admires what Stalin DID…”
    Oh, the ’80s.
    This did­n’t put me off Wyatt’s music but it led me to dis­trust the spe­cif­ics of his polit­ics as they were artic­u­lated with­in it. Eventually, Wyatt’s body of work showed itself as far more humane than any actu­al Stalinist, or “admirer” of Stalin, could be. One song of his, inspired by Donald Rumsfeld’s dis­missal of “Old Europe,” is one of his most mov­ing. But cer­tain things stick in the craw.
    Aside from all the pay­ing work I’ve been pur­su­ing today, I’ve been look­ing into the whole “Trumbo as unre­pent­ant Stalinist” theme. An inter­est­ing recent piece by Ronald Radosh should be read by every­body inter­ested in this:
    http://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication_details&id=5681

  • bill says:

    And Bill, I think that Sinise is an excel­lent per­son to point to and say, “Well, there’s ONE any­way.” A very good act­or, and, from what I can tell, a decent guy.”
    Joel – Not that I want Sinise to do less char­ity work, but I really would like him to act more (out­side of “CSI”). He really is terrific.
    Glenn – Fascinating art­icle. And maybe in my haste to make a point, I should have steered clear of the phrase “unre­pent­ant Stalinist”, although, really, maybe not. I thought I might have bor­rowed the phrase from Terry Teachout regard­ing Trumbo, and even if I did­n’t, I cer­tainly bor­rowed the basic point, hav­ing recently read this ter­rif­ic essay by him (Trumbo is only men­tioned in passing, but it’s a great art­icle anyway):
    http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006781
    That Radosh art­icle really should be read. It shows that Trumbo was no hero, or mar­tyr, and aligned him­self closely with some truly hor­rible people and causes, while acknow­ledging later “doubts and dis­il­lu­sion­ment” of which I was unaware.

  • D Cairns says:

    The res­ults of Stalinism and Nazism are cer­tainly com­par­able, with Stalinism caus­ing actu­ally more harm than nazism (remem­ber­ing that Stalin facil­it­ated much of the Third Reich’s evils), but it’s at least argu­able that the inten­tions behind them are dif­fer­ent. A lot of people got into com­mun­ism out of a desire to help the poor and see social justice. Having embraced those ideals, they were suckered by Stalin. What are the Humanitarian vir­tues of Nazism? What attrac­ted the sup­port­ers? So I think there’s a big dif­fer­ence of intent.
    The idea that the black­list was a well-meaning oper­a­tion to curb a genu­ine threat, which then got out of hand, is not sup­por­ted by the evid­ence. Stalinism = very bad. But the idea that writers or dir­ect­ors in 50s Hollywood could smuggle Stalinism into main­stream cinema is clearly absurd: the stu­di­os acted as very effect­ive gate­keep­ers in that respect. The only “Stalinist” line of dia­logue any­body could point to was “All for one and one for all: that’s demo­cracy,” in TENDER COMRADE, a war­time pro­poganda film made at the behest of the US gov­ern­ment, and the only per­son who found the line offens­ive was Ginger Rogers’s mum.
    Even if immor­al polit­ic­al mes­sages could be hid­den in scripts and escape detec­tion, why go after act­ors? It is and always was obvi­ous that the pur­pose of HUAC was to gain pos­it­ive pub­li­city for a bunch of far-right politi­cians. The com­mit­tee was foun­ded to pro­pose legis­la­tion, that was their reas­on for being, and in their whole exist­ence they nev­er pro­posed any legis­la­tion. It was a self-perpetuating publicity-generating machine, fuelled by the careers of stu­dio employ­ees whose guilt or inno­cence was largely irrelevant.
    Orson Welles said that the issue of the black­list was not one of “inno­cent vic­tims” – most of those black­lis­ted were in fact com­mun­ists (I don’t know if this is true). The issue was that people in a demo­cracy were denied work because of their polit­ic­al beliefs, in a large-scale offi­cially sanc­tioned oper­a­tion. And this lead to a cli­mate of fear in which any dis­cus­sion of polit­ics in American film was hampered more than it already was by com­mer­cial concerns.

  • Dan Coyle says:

    You know, I read some­where that Bean is a recov­er­ing alco­hol­ic, so Breitbart’s column is a bit suspect.
    Then again, if I were hanging around with Andrew Breitbart, my liv­er would be worth the risk.

  • Lou Lumenick says:

    I can­’t vouch for Wells, but I came across an inter­est­ing fact about Voight recently while research­ing a blog item on Harvey Weinstein’s remark­able asser­tion that as a lad, he fled a Broadway per­form­ance of “The Sound of Music” with Mary Martin and ended up see­ing “Goldfinger” with his dad. Harvey’s chro­no­logy did­n’t parse, but in check­ing the Internet Broadway Database I did learn that Voight took the role of the singing Nazi Rolf later in the run.

  • Hey, he did kill Eddie Murphy’s Oscar chances single-handedly… I think it’s inev­it­able that Obama is our next President and John Voigt will nev­er work again. While Voigt’s ini­tial op-ed was pretty silly, how can any­one have any­thing against someone who can sire the likes of Angelina Jolie from his loins?

  • Kilroy says:

    It isn’t really sur­pris­ing to see the far left sup­port cen­sor­ship and black­list­ing. It took a lot of bravery on Voight’s part to say what he believes(whether you agree with his opin­ion or not) in an industry that has become ever less open to dif­fer­ing ideas. Look at most of the TV and movie fare and you’ll see extraordin­ary think­ing is not their hallmark.