Turns out I’m one of those unhip sobersides who can’t quite get with Tropic Thunder. But I think my reasons are valid. Here are the first few grafs of my review, the whole of which is over at The Auteurs Notebook:
In The Clothes Have No Emperor, Paul Slansky’s invaluable compendium of the political and cultural foibles of the 1980s, Tom Cruise is cited giving the following quote while promoting his film Top Gun: “A Top Gun instructor once told me there are only four occupations worthy of a man: actor, rock star, jet fighter pilot, or President of the United States.” The quote really is a gift that keeps on giving.
First, one envisions the reaction of cops and firemen the world over, having finally been exposed for the cringing femme pussies they really are. Then one marvels at just how accommodating a guy that Top Gun instructor was. “Actor”! Jeez, somebody shoulda passed this quote on to Mickey Rourke before he went and got mixed up in that boxing mishegas—coulda saved him some trouble. “Rock star”! Wow, I bet David Bowie musta been chuffed to hear that. Although it’s more likely that the Top Gun instructor had Ted Nugent in mind. The phrase “rock star” cuts a pretty wide swath; maybe the instructor should have been more specific. But there you have it.
Cruise’s noxious pronouncement came to mind while I was watching the new comedy Tropic Thunder for two reasons. First, because it’s exactly the kind of fatuous twaddle one might expect to be spewed by any of its main characters, all of whom are Hollywood actors…
You may read the whole thing here, if you like, and comment there or here. Don’t be gentle, it’s clear I’m looking for some kind of fight…
I’ll be seeing this tonight; I scored some free tickets.
Personally, I suspect the ridiculous protests surrounding the “Simple Jack” gags (which so far sound to me like the definition of “missing the point”) is going to be more compelling than any of the film’s messages. But it looks amusing.
Yeah, I just hope it’s funny. Is that so much to ask, in these trying times?
I liked this movie the first time I saw it…when it was called GALAXYQUEST.
I liked “Galaxy Quest” the first time I saw it…when it was called “THREE AMIGOS”!
Good review, Glenn. But here’s a question: when was the last time Ben Stiller was considered “hip”? By my calculation, it was somewhere between “Permanent Midnight” and “The Royal Tennenbaums”.
I liked “Three Amigos” the first time … when it was called “The Three Caballeros”!
I liked “The Three Caballeros” the first time…when it was called “The Bold Caballero”!
“Galaxy Quest” was considerably more good-natured and good-hearted than “Thunder,” which aims to sting hard, and by my lights ends up biting itself on the ass. But as I said, it’s definitely got some laughs. Usually that’s all that counts, which is why attempted satire can be a risky business…
Let’s not forget everybody’s favorite television executive, Guy Caballero…
“What is this, toilet paper? What, did you write this thing is prison or something?”
I’m not sure I’ll have the same reaction to the film as you did, Glenn, but you make a lot of good points. I’m always nervy about these sorts of things.
I’m reminded of how Stiller savagely caricatured Cruise on SNL… yet years later, he was doing sketches about Cruise’s stunt double, with Cruise “in on it.” That always bothered me.
But if Cruise is able to laugh at himself – I know, that seems unlikely, but it’s possible – then what’s wrong with Stiller letting him in on it?
Nothing wrong with a celebrity willing to laugh at him or herself—it’s in line with the great traditions of showbiz. But it gets to a point—and it’s particularly interesting as far as the Cruise and Stiller stuff went back in the day—wherein a celebrity’s “willingness” to “laugh” at him/herself becomes a form of co-opting the folks who started the mocking. And making anything that had any genuine satiric merit rather beside the point.
It’s almost always inevitable, in some sense. Look at some of the SCTV people in their subsequent careers. They’re always fun to watch…but more than a few of them make their livings doing precisely the sort of dreck that their show used to so deftly skewer.
And in “Tropic Thunder,” Cruise isn’t laughing at himself so much as trying to skewer some of the people who don’t always let him have his way.
But as far as I’m concerned, as long as the comedy is still funny, I don’t really care. When I look back at Stiller’s early jabs at Cruise, and then think about the “Tom Crooz” stuff he did later, I don’t really think “Well, but that takes all the bite out of his earlier stuff”, even though I suppose it does. Because, when it comes right down to it, the targets of these jabs – stars, their egos, their acting styles – are pretty easy and unthreatening. It would seem a bit silly to me if Stiller’s reaction to Cruise wanting to be in on the joke was, “Sorry, but my mockery of your performance in ‘Rain Main’ must remain pure.”
Although, having said all that, I will admit that if Stiller were to join forces with Oliver Stone, his sketch “Oliver Stoneland” might start to look a little less funny. But I do think that Stone is a legitimate target for satire, whereas Cruise seems more of a target for spoof. It’s an important distinction, you know.
I think it’s a matter of…
When Stiller did Cruise on SNL with the bowling parody of Color of Money, I’d argue back then Stiller genuinely hated him. There seems a real contempt for Cruise’s persona underlying the performance.
“Tom Cruise Dress Casual” is milder, and not as funny. Oh look, Cruise repeats himself a lot. Still a bit of nastiness there, but not as savage as the Yakoff Smirnoff parody on the same show (which Stiller profusely apologizes for in the commentary).
Then there’s “Tom Crooz”, which the target is deflected from Cruise onto one of those self-important assholes with no irony that Stiller hacks out in his sleep.
But who knows? Maybe Cruise is a real cool guy to Stiller.
I haven’t seen the “Color of Money” parody in a long time – though now I’ll be checking it out on YouTube again ASAP – but even if you’re right, Dan, that kind of hatred directed at Tom Cruise seems a little like overkill to me. Not only that, but in a reasonable person – which I’m going to go ahead an assume Stiller is – that kind of hatred can’t be maintained.
That Smirnoff sketch is interesting, because of the commentary you reference. Even though it never occurred to me that an apology was called for in that case (partly because I think the sketch is kind of weak), I appreciate that he said that. We’re talking about people who are acting on film or performing stand-up on a stage. Stiller isn’t exactly trying to bring down corrupt heads of state or tyrants.
This is precisely the reason why I can’t understand why anyone thinks Jon Stewart is cutting edge or an iconoclast, because every time I flip past that channel he’s sitting opposite some Republican stooge. Stewart sold his ass out, bigtime.
And concerning Ben Stiller, all he ever wanted was to be in the Royal Court, and he knew the only way he was going to get in was by playing the Jester role, which is exactly what he did, to the hilt. He knows he’s nothing but a clown, and all the plastic surgery and crunches and hundred million dollar movie grosses is never going to change that. Cruise gets Kidman, Stiller gets a Maureen McCormick impersonator. If that doesn’t let him know his station in life, then nothing else ever will.
It sounds like Martin’s Bowfinger still remains the better satire of Hollywood. It used Eddie Murphy’s arrogance and the cult of Scientology for some pretty ruthless satire.
Putting the Cruise thing aside for a moment, How come nobody seems to have an issue with Stiller’s simplistic (and mean-spirited) takedown of Murphy? Does he really think by casting a White that will give him an “out” when called out for mocking Murphy? It seems to me it would’ve been funnier if Stiller acknowledged Murphy’s comic brilliance in front of the camera, but was someone that no one wanted to be around during down time. Black could’ve shown some range by playing a real bore.
In defense of the Cruise casting I think audiences are smart enough to know that his “stunt” performance is just that. I seriously doubt people will come out of Tropic Thunder and say something like, “I guess it’s Cruise’s boss who is the real asshole, not Tom.” Hollywood has a long history of its star humiliating themselves in order to get back into the good graces of their fans. It’s condescending, but it is what it is.
Even something like Robert Altman’s The Player (the best of this genre) is knowing in that it’s giving the audience a glossy version of what it’s really like to work in Hollywood. Altman himself said The Player was the comic-book version of the town. Aidiences know this. Actually audiences know that they’re getting an authorized version of the inside workings of Hollywood.
I remember critics dumping on The Kid Stays in the Picture because it dared to offer a sanitized version of the life of Robert Evans. Really? I thought his ego and the sleaze were front and center. Yes, it celebrated Evans, but it also showed what a jerk he was/is.
Well, at least you don’t sound bitter.
Sorry, my comment was directed at Bjorn, not Aaron.
Go jump in the toilet, Bill. What’s the matter, The Daily Show your nightly ritual? Or you have a crush on Christine Taylor? Either way, quit sucking your thumb.
No, I don’t like “The Daily Show”. Perhaps you misunderstood me. My point was that you sound very bitter.
Perhaps you misunderstood me, Bill. My point is that you’re a sniveler. And you seem to be unduly fascinated with the bitterness of other people. I’m bitter, yes, so what. But that still doesn’t change the fact that you’re a sadsack. You need some kind of teary-eyed emoticon next to your name every time you post. It suits you.
Oy. Come now. I hate to moderate, but I love civility.
Jiminy Christmas, when I bother to put up a post that actually contains some overt political content, y’all are too bored to even yawn at it, but somehow folks get frisky in a random thread, and suddenly the dark clouds of war start gathering. Which isn’t to say that Bjorn and Bill aren’t free to get feisty on this thread. But an invitation to jump in a toilet—just to start on the ad hominems—is not, Bjorn, how we do it around here. So engage meaningfully, or not at all. It’s the only thing I ask, and I don’t think it’s too much. Thanks.
To quote Mr. Blonde:
You girls shouldn’t play so rough. Someone might get hurt.
Aaron—that’s a funny reference, my friend. But it’s not helping. Everyone take a deep breath and step back.
Sorry, Glenn, but I consider Bill’s de facto go to line: “you sound bitter,” just as much an ad hominem as my invitation for him to go jump in the toilet. He says it at least once a week to someone. I did not direct my first comment towards him, but it obviously upset him, so he lobbed a worm at me, and I bit. My fault. But I will not apologize for calling him a sadsack, because he is. Bill’s a real buzzkill, always lamenting about the state of the world, man’s inhumanity to man – the usual rigamarole.
And quoting Reservoir Dogs is not funny. Unless it’s early 1992, maybe late 1993. Maybe
Well, this is what I get before checking in one last time before going to bed. Consider me stepped back.
But hey, Glenn, I dive into the political discussions around here from time to time. I just tend to not make a habit out of it, because things tend to get ugly (not here, specifically, but on the internet). I mean, Christ, look what happened when all we were talking about Ben frickin’ Stiller.
Didn’t see Bjorn’s last comment before posting. Won’t comment, other than to say that I found it amusing.
I can be a bit of a sad sack myself, Bjorn. But as someone who recently (and quite justifiably) was obliged to make a shitload of apologies for advising a blogger (who—I think—everyone on this thread would agree is a total simp) to throw herself in front of a bus, I’ve acquired a new sensitivity with respect to requests for self-drowning and so on.
Also—“Reservoir Dogs,” whatever you might think of it personally, reveals its putative glories to each new generation. In 1992 the commenter you look down your nose at was, by my calculations, not even ten. Let’s make some allowances for the new cinephiles on the block. Not their fault for when they were born.
Fun fact: I once owned the Resevoir Dogs video game and played it all the way through. Funner fact: the developers didn’t have the participation of Tarantino (they just licensed it from LionsGate) or any of the actors, save Madsen. So you can imagine what that was like.
Here, as a participant in a previous comment-thread pissing match, I’ll get us back on track this time: Glenn, this is your best review in awhile. I agree with much of it, but I particularly want to underline your point about the anti-Semitic aroma of Lev Grossman. I’m amazed that you’re the only critic I’ve read who’s even flagged this.
Hi Glenn:
I like that point about satire vs. spoof. You wonder what “Tropic Thunder” is trying to say. Not a lot, I think. But (he said, invoking his favorite whipping-boy) it does make fun of the prestigious organization that bestowed its highest honors upon “Crash.” That’s enough… at least for an hour-long show, which is what I imagined cutting it down to as I was watching it. Agreed, it’s no “SCTV” (nothing is). Downey, Baruchel and Brandon T. Jackson made me laugh quite a lot, though. And it would never have occurred to me that anyone could take offense to the “Simple Jack” stuff – until I remembered how stupid some people are.
P.S. Now you made me google “glenn kenny” and “under a bus” so I could find out what that was about. I found something called Emily Magazine. What the hell? Why would you, or I, be aware of such a thing?
First off, speaking as a Trekkie, I fucking hated “Galaxy Quest”; I love sending up the Trek fandom but it should really be done by people who know what they’re talking about.
Secondly, having seen the actual MOVIE: I don’t think it’s worth taking seriously and I’ll laugh in the face of anybody calling it “hip”. How is this “hip?” Calling it a “satire” is patently ridiculous, because it’s not specific: all the characters are types and this movie trades on how “Middle America” sees Hollywood for laughs. Really, Stiller’s not a satirist; he always goes broad for laughs in the end. I think it’s just the references to Vietnam movies have people all in a lather.
Bjorn,
Jon Stewart often gets pretty testy with his GOP guests – even Lynne Cheney came in for a gentle prodding (not gentle enough for her, as you can see by her rapid exit). Would you rather he excluded conservatives from his show and made it even more of an echo chamber than it already is?
Glenn,
The more I hear about this movie the more it sounds like smug, self-satisfied, narcissistic Hollywood navel-gazing disguised as “satire.” I find it interesting that this was written by Justin Theroux who played an incarnation of (above) in Mulholland Drive, and got his ass kicked by Billy Ray Cyrus.
Dan—the whole “hip” theme apropos this movie comes mostly from Jeff Wells, as far as I can tell, but a lot of other critics are dropping “subversive;” one reviewer says that Cruise is “re-christened in cool,” and so on.
“It sounds like Martin’s Bowfinger still remains the better satire of Hollywood.” What about Swimming with Sharks? Spacey’s pink-and-blue routine perfectly captures the arrogance of the show biz powers. George Huang deserves a better career than he’s had.
“Subversive?” So, wait, goofing on “Platoon” and swiping lighting cues from “Apocalypse Now” makes you subversive? Sure. In 1988.
The closest I’ll come to agreement on those comments is that Cruise has probably done a lot to salvage his career with this movie. The preview screening I went to, everybody loved his performance.
Swimming with Sharks is good, but suffers from a finale that’s alittle too clever for its own good. 1995 was the Year of the Spacey. Buddy Ackerman, Virgil, and John Doe demonstrated what he was (and still is) capable of.
For the record: I was 14 when Reservoir Dogs came out in late ’92. (It played for a week in San Antonio. I miseed it. I caught up with it on VHS, and then laserdisc.)
And, yes, it was “hip” to quote Dogs during that 92–93 period. It wasn’t until after Pulp Fiction came out on Oct. 14th that every frat-house jackass felt the need to show off their Mr. Blonde impersonation.
Oh, well. That sort of thing happens all the time in pop culture.
BTW: Dogs remains the best feature-film directorial debut of the 1990s, rivaling only The Hughes Brothers’ Menace II Society in sheer filmmaking audacity.
Actually, there is one other person who pointed out the anti-semitic caricature. Unfortunately, it’s Debbie Schlussel.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/08/mid-week_box_of_6.html
“And finally, there is Tom Cruise, who plays Len Grossman–a stereotypical balding Jewish Hollywood producer mogul who dances around to rap music, has sycophantic assistants, and constantly yells and screams obscenities at everyone around him. Normally, this is the part where I’d complain about this kind of stereotypical portrayal of Jews in Hollywood. But sadly, I hate to say that this is what many of them have become. Was Cruise wearing a prosthetic nose? Now, that I do object to.”
Dan. Why do you want to hurt me like that?
Schlussel’s implication that some forms of anti-semitism are deserved is typical of her unique form of derangement.
Actually, and hearteningly for myself, Manohla Dargis is almost on my page:“Heavily and heavy-handedly coded as Jewish, the character is murderous, repellent and fascinating, a grotesque from his swollen fingers to the heavy gold dollar sign nestled on his yeti-furred chest.”
Just saw “Thunder”. Thought the movie was mildly funnier than “Pineapple Express”, which I still can’t believe anyone liked. Like most Ben Stiller sketches, “Thunder” seems to just hang around a good deal longer than it should.
Glenn,
I’d like to think that the character wasn’t as anti-semitic as it would initially seem. It seemed to me that Cruise’s look and behavior was designed as such for two reasons. IMHO they specifically lampooned Joel Silver in specific, and not Jews in general. So a) they had to evoke Silver while still disguising it from being too on the nose, and b) I think they just wanted to bury Cruise under a lot of makeup to demonstrate how well he can “act”, a friendly favor from his buddy Stiller.
Dan,
I’m also a devout Trekkie, and I don’t see why you can’t see the truth in “Galaxy Quest’s” depiction of Trek and its fandom. I felt like they were at least knowledgeable enough to give us a wink, and include the rock monster that Shatner couldn’t afford to put into his “Star Trek V”.
One thing seems certain. Between the “Zoolander” villain’s name, Mugato, and the clip of “Arena” Speedman is watching on his IPod in “Thunder”, Stiller seems to definitely be a Trekkie at heart.
Tony, think about it for a minute: the entire movie centers around the fans having no root distinction between fantasy and reality. Hell, the most devoted fans in the movie are idiot-savant retards. That’s just going to be offensive no matter WHO you’re parodying. That, and, well, the movie kinda sucked. I don’t think a truly honest “Trek” fandom movie has ever been made, although “Free Enterprise” did at least have a hilarious turn from Shatner.
Stiller is a Trekkie at heart: apparently the title of his production company is Trek-related.
Dan, I get what you’re saying now. But I do remember a time when you’d go to a Trek convention, in the seventies, and fans would actually ask an actor like Shatner to confirm Capt Kirk’s safe combo (like in the SNL sketch). Fans don’t seem as obsessive nowadays, or like me, they spread their obsession evenly amongst many subjects.
You’re right, Stiller’s production company is called Red Hour taken from “Return of the Archons”.
“Festival!”
And Tony, don’t forget “The Cable Guy” with Jim Carrey’s character referencing “Amok Time” and humming the fight theme, as he and Matthew Broderick battle at Medieval Times.
Downey’s “Tropic Thunder” character, Kirk Lazarus, is named after characters from both “Star Trek” and “Galaxy Quest”. Coincidence? I am thinking not.
Hmmm…I will probably show my age here, but did I miss the memo? When was it actually decided that Ben Stiller is funny? Maybe I’m also showing my nationality here, considering that brilliant comedians are churned out of Canada every two minutes (while the olympic medals sadly do not), but I find Ben Stiller as funny as Adam Sandler: meaning NOT. Not even remotely.
Damn you Glenn. I was not going to see the movie, because why would I (aside from the fact that I love Downey Jr)? And now, all this discussion as peaked my curiosity to obscene levels. I think I will do what I always do in this situation: pay for a film I feel deserves it, and sneak into the other/big budget/hollywoody/guilty pleasure flick.
I adored this movie! Hilarious. Well done. Great soundtrack, too.