Seriously. It’s funny, I was thinking as I was writing up the new Criterion disc of Peter Yates’ 1973 The Friends of Eddie Coyle, that Coyle could actually have been that rarest of things, a perfect movie, had it not been for the overstated and thoroughly dinky electric piano-driven “jazz combo” score by Dave Grusin. As I said in my post on Coyle, it’s the sort of thing that gives the electric piano a bad name. (For contrast, check out some of Herbie Hancock’s electric-and-electronic instrument-driven early ’70s work—records for Warner such as Fat Albert Rotunda, and Columbia albums Sextant and, of course, Head Hunters. They haven’t dated at all badly, and the dink factor on any of them is pretty low. Not entirely surprisingly, as Hancock’s kind of a genius. But anyway…) The optimal music score for Coyle would be none at all but of course that sort of thing wasn’t really kosher even in the putatively permissive Hollywood of the ’70s. Still. Fielding, Goldsmith, any guy like that could have produced more appropriate music, and also probably would have had the good sense to churn out less of it. Or, you know, maybe Lalo Schifrin, if the producers wanted a “jazz” score. Or Lennie Neilhaus, who also had the good sense to use true jazz greats for his movie music—that’s Art Pepper soloing on the alto sax throughout Eastwood’s The Gauntlet.
So the other night I’m watching the new Paramount Blu-ray of Sydney Pollack’s 1975 Three Days of the Condor, a film my lovely wife was staggered to learn I had never seen before (hey, you can’t see everything), and, chafing at the film’s unaccountably jaunty opening theme music (“Isn’t this the movie that begins with Redford’s character stumbling upon all of his CIA cohorts slaughtered?” thought I), I was soon offered an explanation:
Ugh. Overall, the score for Condor is marginally less egregious that Coyle’s, but still not enjoyable. And not to disparage the recently departed Mr. Pollack, who was a man of taste for sure, but his weakness for Grusin was…well, a weakness. An entirely creditable comedy in most respects, Pollack’s Tootsie is very nearly sunk by the moments combining Grusin’s music and Stephen Bishop’s crooning (Belushi really had the right idea when he smashed Bishop’s guitar in Animal House). You want more? How about The Goodbye Girl? Yeah. Now you can’t get that goddamn song out of your head, can you? I know I can’t. And it hurts.
His film music isn’t even the worst of Grusin’s sins. Here, let Wikipedia fill you in: “Grusin is often thought of as a jazz or smooth jazz artist.” You hear that? Smooth jazz. Which is to say, that which is not actually jazz at all, motherfuckers. And another thing: Grusin was the “G” in GRP records, the company that got put in charge of Universal Music Group’s jazz catalog in the late ’80s. GRP subsequently sat on the most interesting stuff therein (e.g., the entire run from the Impulse! label), instead favoring the work of Acoustic Alchemy, Patti Austin, Al Jarreau. I believe it was my then Stereo Review cohort Steve Simels who told me that the rank and file over at the label regarded much of the COMPLETELY LEGENDARY AND SEMINAL material from that catalog as nothing more than so much noise. In other words, Dave Grusin, however nice a guy he may be or whatever, is still ONE OF THE COCKSUCKERS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FACT THAT THERE WASN’T A LEGITIMATE CD OF ALBERT AYLER’S MUSIC IS THE HEALING FORCE OF THE UNIVERSE UNTIL TWO THOUSAND FRICKIN’ FIVE!!!!!!
Son of a bitch!
I will entertain defenses of Mr. Grusin below.
Well, he did compose “additional music” for Reds. Sondheim wrote most of the score, but I don’t remember anything bad in the film.
That’s all I got.
Funnily, I remember way back when The Firm came out and a friend was complaining about Grusin’s score afterwards.
I was going to defend him, but then realized I was confusing him with David Shire, whose scores for conspiracy thrillers like All the President’s Men and Zodiac are actually quite good.
Now you got my mickey up. Gruisin’s music might not always work in certain films but when it does, it’s rather perfect, particularly his early 70’s scores like PLAY T AGAIN SAM (Gruisin’s jaunty keyboard theme for Woody is my favorite) and I love his theme for the unseen ADAM AT SIX AM from 1970, not to mention lovely work in MY BODYGUARD.
The defense rests.
No argument from me. My hatred of Grusin’s film scoring work once even made it into my Facebook status update. Though I will say that his score for THREE DAYS OF THE CONDOR is The Ecstasy of Fucking Gold compared to his score for THE FIRM.
It actually took me half an hour to write that last sentence because I fell asleep halfway through it.
I agree with almost everything you say about Grusin, especially his years with GRP, but as a fan of 70s era movie score funk I have to say the 3 Days Of The Condor soundtrack has some really lovely moments (as well as a couple of painful ones). But if anyone wants to curse him for facilitating the slide from soul jazz to smooth jazz I won’t stop them.
I remember getting some enjoyment out of Grusin’s score for THE GREAT NORTHFIELD MINNESOTA RAID, and his renditions of the standards in THE FABULOUS BAKER BOYS–he does Jeff Bridges’s piano playing–are actually quite good. (His score for that film is also not too bad, a likable pastiche of 80s Miles Davis, although Grusin’s attempts at straight jazz “sound,” in Pauline Kael’s apt description, “like colored lights on waterfalls.”) Such praise aside, Grusin must be a strong contender for the worst film composer in history. Crucial pieces of evidence: the wretched 70s suspense music he wrote for THE NICKEL RIDE (the EDDIE COYLE score is probably very similar); the crooning saxophone in TEQUILA SUNRISE; A DRY WHITE SEASON; FALLING IN LOVE, which features what might be called Hallmark piano; RACING WITH THE MOON (more “pleasant,” “bittersweet” music); and THE BONFIRE OF THE VANITIES, through which runs a tootling soprano saxophone line that sounds as if it were a special contribution made by Kenny G.
Yeah, but his theme for The Goonies is fantastic.
Dave Grusin will *never* be the ‘worst film composer in history’ as long as James Horner is still around writing his tin-eared, derivative (not to mention plagiarizing), poorly-structured scores. And for anybody who says, ‘Yeah, but Horner’s early stuff was good,” you’re wrong. It stinks too. In addition to having the dreadful traits I noted above, the early stuff is marked by Horner’s amateurish & indifferent conducting along with some of the worst studio musician performances ever. Grusin is freakin’ Bernard Herrmann compared to a hack like Horner.
I enjoy “Ray’s Blues” from the soundtrack to The Firm. That is all.
Dave Grusin > Marvin Hamlisch.
Sorry Dylan P, but them’s fightin’ words on Marvin H.
Seeing “Music by Dave Grusin” in any movie’s credits was always my tipoff that either the director got nervous or the studio did. But I object to lumping Fielding and Goldsmith in together. Jerry G. had a shameless streak (cf. “Patton”) that Jerry F. never did.
Goldsmith…shameless? Patton? One of the best scores of the era, bar none.
Pete Apruzzese: Can’t agree with your dissing of Horner.
Defence evidence 1: The main title of WRATH OF KHAN.
Defence evidence 2: The first major action cue in ALIENS when Ripley takes control of the APC and drives into the Alien nest to rescue the marines.
Defence evidence 3: The entire score of THE ROCKETEER.
And when was the last time you heard a rousing score like BRAVEHEART in the cinema?
Fingers crossed for his AVATAR score.
1 – TWoK – Main Title – poorly played with odd competing music lines that never gel (the few seconds prior to the main title). A theme in search of something. Thin, weak orchestrations throughout. Best music moment was Amazing Grace which, ironically, Horner hated that they made him do.
2. Aliens – not familiar enough with that piece. Though I seem to remember the whole thing sounds a lot like Trek II & III’s action music plus some of his Commando score. Some of the action stuff at the end was decent.
3. Sounds just like Willow and Field of Dreams mixed with Cocoon and Glory.
Braveheart was effective, but I never felt it helped the film. Starship Troopers is rousing. 🙂
@TC: Yes, Goldsmith was capable of laying on the tonal ham, for sure, but any guy who gave us the theme from “Chinatown” and the entire “Planet of the Apes” score (a staggeringly deft translation of a lot of modernist techniques into movie music) can’t be all bad.
What a nice thread for a Saturday! Clearly, movie music is an under-blogged topic.
isn’t anything coming close to redeeming in the rocketeer just jacked from randy newman? randy newman is one of the genuises of the the last 50 years so there are worse places to steal from; but when your third bit of evidence is that he is smart enough to steal from one of the best it is perhaps a tip towards intelligence not genuine talent.
also, the crimes against the impulse! catalog are the worst of his misdeeds. esp may have screwed over their artists but at least there were a million different (though many of them shoddy) versions of albums on cd. though they have still bizarrely hidden archie shepp’s “three for a quarter, one for a dime” (one of his best) on live in san francisco without making it clear that this has been done.
Horner is a plagiarist, even ripping off himself. Can’t remember the “Aliens” score? No problem, play the “Klingon Theme” from “Star Trek III.”
BUT… I do love the Star Trek II score, I’m ashamed to admit. and the opening seconds of his theme for “A Beautiful Mind.”
If we’re going to nail composers for “ripping off” [sic] themselves, then you might as well forget about Morricone, Philip Glass, and Bernard Herrmann, too.
@Christian: Billy Goldenberg composed the score for PLAY IT AGAIN, SAM. Oscar Peterson also wrote and performed a little music for the movie.
I like Grusin’s score for HEAVEN CAN WAIT.
Pete, thanks for standing up for Patton – it really is a fantastic score or at least a fantastic theme.
Griff, thanks for that. Why the hell did I think it was Gruisin? I have the actual LP soundtrack (which sadly does not feature the actual cues but portions from the movie replete with laughing audience).
And I think Horner’s score for ST:WOK is just fantastic. The themes may be familiar but they’re scored with such operatic vigor. How could the best movie of the series be considered so with “bad” music? The music propels much of the emotion from Khan’s rage and Spock’s death.
I also think the ALIENS score is pretty bitchin’. And A BEAUTIFUL MIND is one of the loveliest film scores ever.
Griff, I was actually thinking of HEAVEN CAN WAIT! A terrific wistful theme that I always wished was available.
@Christian – The theme from HEAVEN CAN WAIT was released on one of Grusin’s GRP albums called “Cinematic”. It’s not the film original, but a pretty nice version nonetheless. Henry Mancini also covered it on one of his albums called “The Theme Scene”. Again, a very nice version. Seek them out, until Paramount opens the vaults and the original gets a release.
Gruisin’s scoring works really well in only one film I know of – Fabulous Baker Boys. But then again, his musical sensibilities are rather appropriate for a movie about two piano playing brothers who’ve never had a day job, largely because they’ve never had any qualms about musical taste or, really, any idea of music being anything other than background music.
I’d call Gruisin parsely, but parsely has never been that overwhelming offensive as far as I can tell.
@Pete Apruzzese: Starship Troopers is a fantastic score, love me some Basil Poledouris (especially Conan The Barbarian).
Looks like we’ll have to disagree on Horner though.
The music cues at the beginning of Aliens – when Ripley’s shuttle is floating through space and discovered by the salvage crew – are really quite haunting and lovely.
Wow, you guys are ICY COLD. Betcha all hate Elmer Bernstein and John Barry too.
But Lalo Schifrin? No bad words for Lalo?
“Wrath of Khan” is a superb score. Gripe about it from a technical standpoint all you want, and Horner certainly shows a dismaying degree of self-copying sometimes, but what matters in film is the ultimate effect, and “Khan“ ‘s score gels seamlessly with the film, getting the exact emotional effect needed for each scene.
I was disappointed with Michael Giacchino’s “Star Trek” score, while we’re on the topic. There are flashes of wit, and the finale piece is pretty damn neat, but overall it was suprisingly bland, although I’m glad he didn’t fall back on his talent for mimicry for the most part.
As for Grusin, I don’t know the name, but I’m glad our host braced those of us who haven’t seen it for the score, and Japanese New Wave has largely convinced me jazz doesn’t generally work for film scores. The film scores that have most hurt my soul and ear lately have been David Arnold’s for Bond. Arnold seems to be chafing within the confines the producers have set for him; really, they should give up chasing top 40 gold, especially after how hard “Another Way to Die” was on the ears of small children and dogs, and just let John Barry have his way.
So, what did you think of CONDOR, Glenn?
I also reading once that the only problem with BAKER BOYS is that when Jeff Bridges aspires to be a true, bop-driven jazz pianist, playing from his soul, the music he’s playing is the soulless rhythms of Dave Grusin. That observation about the film has always stuck with me. Well, that and Michelle, of course.
@Larry: I thought “Condor” was, as they say, very good of its sort, although I was brought up a little short by its (not entirely unexpected, given the star) detour into celebration-of-the-whistleblower territory at the end. I appreciate the sentiment, but I never much dug message movies…
if nothing else, you’ve inspired me to listen to some art pepper and lennie niehaus
I’d like to hear your thoughts, Glenn, on movies that have used jazz scores to great effect. The obvious ones “Lift To The Scaffold”, “Sweet Smell of Success”, “Anatomy of a Murder” … okay, I know there’s a ton more, but I’m too tired to think… For light jazzy scores, I’m a sucker for John Barry (“The Knack”, for instance)
@ Greg: I think Herbie’s score for “Blow-Up” is pretty sharp, albeit sparsely used by Antonioni; I haven’t revisited the notorious “Death Wish” in a while, but as I’m in the middle of a Herbie-can-do-no-wrong phase I imagine I’d not find it objectionable. Obviously films with a musical backdrop often use jazz well, as in Ritt’s “Paris Blues” and Tavernier’s “Round Midnight.” The French LOVE jazz scores—see Vadim’s “Dangerous Liasons ’60,” with music, and featuring an appearance by, Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers. (Way back in the day, Keith Jarrett borrowed my laser disc of that picture via my mom’s proxy—she managed a video store up his way, and they were friendly.) Ron Carter did an excellent (albeit unidiomatic) score for Tavernier’s “The Passion of Beatrice” right after “Midnight;” he also scored the 1971 adaptation of Paula Fox’s “Desperate Characters,” directed by Frank Gilroy (Tony’s father!).
Do not miss the Jack Nitzsche-produced score for Dennis Hopper’s ultra-trashy “The Hot Spot,” which teams Miles with John Lee Hooker. A fantastic piece of music.
Anyone else have some suggestions?
I’ve never seen Vadim’s “Dangerous Liaisons”, but I have the soundtrack, which is great. I believe that the excellent Barney Wilen guests with the Jazz Messengers? Tthe score to Cassavetes “Shadows”, which I think was supposed to be Mingus, is still an evocative jazz score. There are certainly a lot of classic scores with jazz elements…
Great thread! Even though I haven’t seen it in sometime, “The Pawnbroker” with the Quincy Jones score was evocative of the frenzy the Rod Steiger character was going through. Also, Miles work on Malle’s “Elevator to the Gallows” is memorable for how well that form of music worked for French films at the time.
Am disappointed that Glenn didn’t care more for Condor, one of my favorite films. Seeing it when it was released may account for my high opinion. It perfectly captures the paranoia of the Vietnam-Watergate era. It’s too entertaining to be dismissed as simply a message movie. And then there’s Max’s greatest non-Bergman performance.
Cannot defend Grusin’s oeuvre. No one’s dared to mention that obscenity that is One Golden Pond. Yet he is trying to do something right in Condor. The occasional dissonance underscores Redford’s fears. He keeps cutting between lighter and darker tones to show Dunaway’s uncertainty about whether to trust/love Redford. There is a big difference, though, between intention and execution.
Dude got his start as Andy Williams’ accompanist/bandleader: a case of the bland leading the bland.
MICKY ONE by Stan Getz is sweet for such a sour movie. And Barry’s score for THE KNACK is my favorite outside his Bond work. His scores for 1965 all had that jazzy, cool organ vibe.
If nobody’s mentioned it, I can’t believe I actually said jazz doesn’t work for film scores because “Get Carter” (no, the GOOD one!) has a great jazz score. The Internet makes fools of us all. Usually me.
I was going to bring up GET CARTER, but Budd’s stuff falls between the jazz and pop zone…
Also, Dave Gruisin did do the incidental music for THE GRADUATE, and nailed the plastic muzak backdrop perfectly, which was probably Nichol’s intention…
Others seem to hate it, but I’ve always been awfully fond of Quincy Jones’s score for Anthony Mann and Laurence Harvey’s A DANDY IN ASPIC. (Which btw is an underrated movie, too.)
Although not one of my favorite composers, I do love his work for Polonsky’s “Tell Them Willie Boy is Here”.
@Christian: I also admire the MICKEY ONE score. But it’s worth noting that Getz’ work consists of bravura sax solos and improvs in the context of Eddie Sauter’s score; It’s a unique collaboration. [As the soundtrack lp liner notes put it, “Stan Getz IS Mickey One!”]
I think Robert is right – Grusin’s score for the Polonsky film is pretty good.
Don Ellis’ “jazz-tonal” scores for the FRENCH CONNECTION films and THE SEVEN-UPS still hold up pretty well.
Say, Glenn…
“…Lennie Neihaus, who also had the good sense to use true jazz greats for his movie music — that’s Art Pepper soloing on the alto sax throughout Eastwood’s ‘The Gauntlet’.”
Yes, It’s Pepper on the GAUNTLET soundtrack, but Jerry Fielding composed and conducted the film’s musical score.
NAKED LUNCH had some nice stuff in it. Ornette!
Right as usual, Griff—while Neilhaus and Eastwood have gone together like pancakes and syrup since the ’80s, it would not do to slight the ever-fantastic Mr. Fielding and his ’77 score.
How could I have forgotten the late, great Don Ellis. His music is used very sparsely in “FC,” but to great effect. (Friedkin was always pretty sharp about music. I daresay Richard Branson owes Friedkin a share of the Virgin empire—it’s quite doubtful that “Tubular Bells,” the record that made Branson’s label, would have been such a hit had Friedkin not lifted the then obscure piece for “The Exorcist,” which also features George Crumb’s work. And Friedkin hired Tangerine Dream before they got all wimpy.) Ellis’ still sui generis “Electric Bath” was one of the first jazz records I ever got into, courtesy of a very hip high school teacher back in the day. Think I’ll crank it on my iPod for my trip out today…
Interesting, I’d forgotten that Grusin did BAKER BOYS, because I came rushing here to defend his honor… only to find I was thinking of Mark Isham instead. However, since I’m here, I will take the time to back up Chris B.‘s point that BAKER BOYS works quite well within the context of the film itself, and even as a soundtrack album if one has the film and specific scenes and their component emotions in mind while listening to it. However, at a few years remove, I found the soundtrack almost unlistenable on its own. The contrast between the jazz classics that were part of the soundtrack and the smoove jazz that was the score was too jaunty and too jarring.
Griff,
I love all the scores you mentioned (especially Don Ellis’), but does anyone out there love David Shire’s score for The Taking of Pelham One Two Three as much as I do?
Glenn,
I love The Hot Spot score. Used to have it on cassette tape back in the day. Can’t find it on CD, though. Know where I could get it?
Tony: right here, my friend:
http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Spot-Original-Picture-Soundtrack/dp/B0000047BA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1242143366&sr=8–3
A nice price, and it’s in stock!
I really ought to install one of those Amazon kickback widgets, huh?
@Tony Dayoub: I love David Shire’s score for “The Taking of Pelham One Two Three”, probably my favorite score of his. It’s a score with a pulse right from the opening credits to how it plays out from the famous final shot.
If there was ever a movie to be studied for how cinematography, editing and music can set a brisk pace without it being overdone (like I’m sure Tony Scott’s unnecessary remake will), it’s “Pelham”.
The soundtrack is surprisingly available on iTunes.
@Glenn,
Thanks, man. And I had forgotten Taj Mahal is on it, too.
@Steven Santos,
Pelham is a perfect movie in many respects that fit in with Glenn’s measure of The Friends of Eddie Coyle. And it’s directed by Joseph Sargent, who – the reinvigorated Trekkie in me must point out – directed the first episode of Trek to have the crew we’re familiar with (McCoy, Uhura, Rand being late additions to the mix).
Sargent had a nice low key early 70’s run, particularly the smart, underrated COLOSUSS: THE FORBIN PROJECT only available in a ridiculous pan-and-scan DVD version.
God, PELHAM is a great movie. Some of it hasn’t aged well– those subway passengers aren’t just broad stereotypes, they’re Broad Seventies Stereotypes– but the acting/direction/pacing/music is superb.
The remake does look pretty awful– John Travolta, really? And Denzel Washington? What?
And is there any way for the remake to improve on that fantastic final shot? Ahhh, where are the Matthaus of yesterday?
I saw “Taking” in about the worst way possible, on Hulu with ads and it’s still a gripping and fun feature. I love how half the movie is middle-aged overweight men delivering rants that are equal parts profanity and technical jargon. And, of course, the score is great. I’m kind of glad the heavy-brass sound of the ’70s is retired, but on some pictures of the time, it really works.
Oh, and Mr. Santos? Thanks for the heads-up. I didn’t think to look there and had been trying to find it on CD.
French jazz lovers should take an ear-gander at the score for Johnny To’s new picture “Sparrow”. Completely sublime. Great picture too.
The earliest parts of Horner’s “Aliens” score accompanying Ripely’s ship through space are indeed lovely. They’re also from Aram Khachaturian’s “Gayane” ballet. Used in “2001” as well.
“Brainstorm” of Horner’s I really, really like.
Yeah, Grusin’s a hack and Ayler’s catalog took its own sweet time being made available, but GRP did release BOTH versions of Ascension in the mid-90’s. And Om. And Kulu Se Mama. And Pharaoh’s Tauhid. And…I think you get the point. These are not exactly the smooth jazz hits of the latter-half of the 20th century, and GRP doubtless had far more lucrative things it could (and did) release in the same time period.
As for Herbert Hancock (dig that credit from Blow-up!), surprised to see no mention of his soundtrack for Ivan Dixon’s The Spook who Sat By the Door, featuring Hancock and his Mwandishi fellow explorers. (Random, but related: The Herbie cover story in a recent issue of waxpoetics details the Mwandishi band specifically – apparently, in that week before Spook was pulled from theaters, Hancock and band were on tour and went to see a screening in Philly. Who should they see on line but Sun Ra and his band!)
Cool story, James. And of course do understand that my rant about GRP was at least partially tongue-in-cheek. I loved that they re-issued Ascension, with both takes and all.
Speaking of Sun Ra and the Mwandishi band, I hear that trombonist Julian Priester makes an appearance on the new album from black-robed drone metallists Sunn 0))). Heavy!
Julian Priester + Sunn0))???!?!!! That. Is. Insane!!! What, Roswell Rudd was off playing Dixieland somewheres and couldn’t make the session? George Lewis thought they weren’t heavy enough for him?? (They probably aren’t…) I’ll now be looking for J.J. Johnson to sit in with Comets on Fire…
BTW, Dave Gruisin did the soundtrack for CANDY, one of my proud LP collectables, and it is a kick-ass fuzz guitar and keyboard score.
I dare Glenn to tell Soderbergh that Gruisin sucks – he used Gruisin’s score to finish off OCEAN’S 12!