Let’s put aside, for the moment, the fact that the animating concept behind the Transformers films, and said concept’s attendant “mythology” (awesome robots from outer space that disguise themselves as awesome GM products and are fighting a war against…oh, God, you know…) are simply too damn dumb to even puke at. That’s a pretty big consideration, I understand. But, after taking that dumbness as a given, don’t you think it still might have been possible for someone, somewhere, to create a reasonably visually captivating kinetic audio-visual product around said concept, without said product being as crass and dumb and insulting as Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen? To put it another way: does the fault lie with director Michael Bay (who, I admit, makes an almost too-convenient villain), or is it endemic to the blockbuster genre itself?
Because really, in even the best action blockbuster pictures, the comic relief is by and large the weakest element. Remember Argyle, the limo driver in Die Hard? Yeah, I’ve tried to forget too, but there you have it. What first riles about Fallen, much much more so than Bay’s tendency to shoot and cut every scene involving the military as if he’s making an Army recruitment commercial (arguably a perquisite of the genre) is its voluminous “comic” relief, a constant stream of noise that bears zero relation to actual humor. Much has been made of Skid and Mudflaps, two “jive”-talking bots whose presence Bay defends by invoking the ever-popular “I’m doing it for the kids” argument. George Lucas said something similar about Jar Jar Binks. And yet I fail to see any uptick in the popularity of Steppin Fetchit in the 7‑to-16 demographic. But there’s the thing, or one of the things, anyway; it’s not just that Skids and Mudflaps are racist stereotypes—they’re racist stereotypes that are at least twenty years out of date. Bay really needs to get himself to a Tyler Perry movie or something before he tries to make fun of black people again. (A couple of the film’s screenwriters have taken some pains to distance themselves from the characterizations.) And all of the rest of the jokes are similarly time-warped. Gags about mimes and snails in a scene set in Paris? Really? Pot brownies? Really? The Pointer Sisters’ “I’m So Excited,” which was tired in Beverly Hills Cop? Really?
And then there’s the picture’s ever double-dealing tone, which asks the audience to laugh their asses off at what doofuses the main character’s family are, and then to care, and care deeply, when said doofuses might buy it. “Fail” on both counts. And then there’s Megan Fox spending the entire movie with that sort of rapt quasi-orgasmic facial expression that recalls that of Patricia Neal as she goes up the phallic elevator at the end of The Fountainhead, only much, much dumber. Then there’s Bay’s conception of a college dorm as a 24-hour strip club. And then there’s the near-obscene 9/11 reference, with the robot Optimus Prime intoning “Let’s roll.” (UPDATE: Several Transformers mavens, both here and elsewhere—hello, Lawyers, Guns and Money readers!—inform me that the “Let’s roll” line is not a 9/11 reference, because it was an Optimus Prime catchphrase in the old cartoon. Okay then. Still, 9/11 is evoked explicitly in the film when news of the Decepticon attacks breaks, and ickily so. Hence, a viewer less-than-hugely-conversant with the, um, mythology could easily make the incorrect inference.) And then there’s…And then there’s…
And it’s all just so unnecessary. The ridiculousness of the robots’ conception is mirrored rather spectacularly in their designs, and once you’re cool with that, seeing them in action is like watching a couple of James Rosenquist murals come to life. Which has the potential to be, well, pretty damn cool. What would make it so would be, for one thing, a director with visual wit and a keen sense of the absurd—maybe someone like Katherine Bigelow, whose The Hurt Locker opens in limited release today. What it doesn’t need is some dumbass slathering huge helpings of fake-earnest stale cheese over it. But that’s the Transformers movie we get. We don’t deserve it, but deserve has got nothing to do with it.
I haven’t seen the new movie, but I’m aware enough of what Michael Bay finds “funny” or “for the kids” to understand that I’ll find it to be neither. I do think, however, that a more accomplished and story-smart filmmaker might have made a viable franchise from the TRANSFORMERS material. “Viable”, that is, meaning “logical” and “makes sense” and “has a plot” and “doesn’t hurt my brain” in ADDITION to meaning “making money”.
And in defense of DIE HARD’s Argyle, he does serve several plot purposes outside of comic relief. He’s an excellent source of McClane’s backstory, a possible lifeline early in the story, and – what can’t possibly be said for any supporting Michael Bay character, EVER – his subplot pays off in the narrative.
I think DIE HARD is overrated. There, I said it.
Oh, also, Michael Bay is an inhuman monster.
It’s a shame Michael Bay has to be as commercial as he is, because he’s been (probably the way he sees it) cursed with a visual style. In any of his films, there’s always that small, slightly-shiny paragon of Potential in his work. Maybe someday he’ll make a movie that’s not “for the kids,” and make a passable, dare I say it, good work.
In either case, the redeeming facet of the film is what our buddy Armond White picked upon: Bay DOES have some amazing Dutch angles, even if they’re sans the same asthetic meaning of, say, Carol Reed.
We all know Michael Bay cannot tell an interesting or coherent story, but his saving grace is supposed to be his skills as an action director. But I think Bay is terrible at that as well, shooting too many close-ups with a heavy-duty vibrator seemingly attached to his camera.
I’d be embarrassed to sit in a theater to watch a 2 1/2 hour movie (as some other movie site put it, longer than 2001: A Space Odyssey!) based on toys, consisting of robots slapping each other upside the head between long stretches of lame comedy bits and endless exposition. I’m going out of my way this weekend to see “Hurt Locker” instead of giving my money to this.
@Matthias: If I was an insane conspiracy theorist, I’d posit that the otherwise inexplicable presence of a Smiths “Meat Is Murder” in the LaBeouf character’s bedroom at the beginning of the film was some kind of sop to Armond…
@Steven: I feel your pain, and hope to check out “Hurt Locker” myself this weekend…
@Steven Santos – I agree with your comments about Bay’s supposed skill as an action director. His films – or rather, his action sequences – are neither exciting nor coherent.
He’d probably be put to good use as a cinematographer instead.
Welll… I haven’t seen the film and don’t intend to, but Optimus Prime has been saying “Let’s roll!” in Peter Cullen’s sonorous voice for a long time now. There was even an internet vote for the previous movie to incorporate key lines from the cartoon into the live-action script, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they went back to that well for this one. Now, did Bay film the line to evoke the Todd Beamer phrase? I couldn’t say, but if he’s truly as out-of-touch as the jar-jar-bots seem to indicate, then it’s not much of a leap to believe he wouldn’t have noticed that particular cultural echo either.
Did you just say something harsh about Argyle?
That’s it. I am DONE with this blog.
Hal Needham + Andy Sidaris + Tony Scott = Michael Bay
I prefer to think of this as Part Two of the sure-to-be-epic trilogy: “Shia LaBoeuf Destroys Ivy League Campuses.” First he tears through Yale’s campus on a motorcycle in “Kingdom of the Crystal Skull” and now he ups the ante with giant robots rampaging through Princeton and Penn. If his next movie doesn’t involve an alien mothership or Mothra wiping Cornell and Dartmouth off the map, I’m going to be sorely disappointed.
the film has ‘collapse of contemporary culture’ vibe about it -
for me one of the notable ‘take aways’ in FALLEN is not only is there no continuity between scenes – there’s no continuity within the scenes themselves – so a character will get tased in the back of a car and then in the very next shot get out of he car like nothing’s happened. this happens over and over again.
Yeah, this movie is just straight up embarrassing. I played a game where I tried to meet it on the grounds of what people who enjoy the film say they like about it (fun, cool, attraction, spectacle) and found plenty to dismantle in that direction too. There just isn’t anything there. Nothing. Its maybe the most genuinely empty blockbuster of…gosh…a long time. Here’s my take if anyone actually wants to read more about this monstrosity.
http://www.out1filmjournal.com/2009/06/transformers-revenge-of-attractions.html
I’m sure i will be met with disagreement here, but I don’t find Megan Fox to be that attractive. Maybe it’s just the way Bay uses her, but she’s like a burlesque of SEX more than she’s actually, y’know, sexy.
How else to put it? She’s so “HOT” she’s not ever hot, if you will.
@DUH: Indeed. And even in that respect, she is, like so much in the movie, kind of anachronistic. I’m reminded of this observation from David Foster Wallace back in 1998: “The…explicit sexuality of Jenna, Jasmin, et al. seems more than anything like a Mad magazine spoof of the ‘smoldering’ sexuality of Sharon Stone and Madonna and so many other mainstream iconettes […]and of the ubiquitous smolder that’s so much a part of ’90s commercial culture.”
Speaking of which, CC’s equation is pretty amusing, but needlessly insulting of Needham…and particularly Sedaris. At least Sedaris always had the courage of his (admittedly morally bankrupt) convictions when it came to delivering on-screen nudity. You just KNOW that Bay was dying to have S. Johannson and M. Fox get their tits out for him, and that his studio-dictated allegiance to the PG-13 rating on “The Island” and the Transformers films was the only thing stopping him.
LMAO, first off you obviously aren’t a film student like my sister, or you wouldn’t be so ignorant as to trash this movie in your reviews. I watched it with my sister and first off, he chose the “I’m so excited” song simply because it’s something everyone has heard and is familiar with. All of his stereotypes are old simply because he wants everyone to be able to feel something in common with the movie. This is what attracts people. Ever seen an action movie when you were a kid and walked out doing the awesome kung-fu moves? Same basic principle.
@Allen: And now I’m LMAO too. Thanks.
To be fair, Mr. Kenny, you most certainly are _not_ a film student like Allen’s sister.
“My Sister the Film Student” is now officially the title for my latest unpublished screenplay.
You know, I was watching “The Hurt Locker” Friday and thinking to myself, “Jesus, this film would be a lot better if Jeremy Renner’s character were defusing his 871st bomb to, uh, I don’t know, ‘I’m So Excited’ by the Pointer Sisters, maybe.” Then, I could relate to it more. And so could all the film student sisters of the world.
By the way, my favorite critical blurb on “Transformers 2,” though I can’t remember who said it, so far is it’s like having “Michael Bay scream at your eyes for two and a half hours.”
So apparently there exists a film school that teaches that a respectable aspiration for a piece of mainstream cinema is to give the audience the opportunity to bask in the familiar, comfy warmth of blackface robots.
I don’t understand why so many people expected so much from this movie. It’s a movie based on toys and a cartoon from the 1980’s… The plot of the movies is the same as the plot of the cartoon, Autobots try to save humans and earth, Decepticons try to destroy those same humans and the earth.
If anything, this movie explained a lot about WHY Decepticons want to destroy earth and showed that even though Autobots would benefit from the Decepticons plan, they wanted to protect the planet.
Its a great action film, mildly humorous (although at least half the audience laughed out loud at every joke in the theater I was in) and spot on to the cartoons that all Transformers fans loved.
The only complaints I had were Skids and Mudflap. I don’t care that they were racist (it’s a movie, they are CGI robots, and racist humor is usually funny and accepted by all professional comedians), what bothered me is that they weren’t funny, important to the movie, or even remotely interesting.
I can only hope that this is the climax of a terrible 14 year run of blockbusters, which started around the time of Joel Schumacher’s excruciatingly poor Batman Forever.
Will the return of Cameron be a one off or will it lead to a resurgence in quality in the action/adventure/sc-fi event picture?
How Abrams, McG, Bay, Wiseman, Ratner, Sommers, Kurtzman and Orci etc. were ever given control of millions of dollars is utterly beyond me.
“How Abrams, McG, Bay, Wiseman, Ratner, Sommers, Kurtzman and Orci etc. were ever given control of millions of dollars is utterly beyond me.”
Because, against all reason (actually, mainly thanks to marketing dollars, most likely), these movies make boatloads of money. Transformers 2 has made more than $200 million domestically in about 5 days. Which is probably more than the take of every art film released here in the past decade combined. It’s the sad truth. The Hurt Locker will probably make less in its entire run than Transformers made in a day.
Back in the Good Old Days, Bay would have been a second-unit director like Andrew Marton or B. Reeves Eason, shooting huge action sequences in big pictures and occasionally directing a B‑western or serial. Those en were never fortunate enough to direct a big-budget film on their own…and they were far more talented.
And remember: the difference between “Bay” and “Bad” is exactly one letter.
Uh, the Decepticons never wanted to destroy the earth in the cartoon. They wanted to plunder it for its resources, because Cybertron’s were all dried up. The Autobots felt obligated to stop them.
@Jason M. – You’re not wrong, sadly. I’m hoping The Hurt Locker can put in a solid performace and get to $50 million or so though.
Not nearly as bad as people say. Yes it’s long, so was “Dark Knight”. if you liked the first, you’ll love this.It’s the perfect summer blockbuster, and that’s all it’s trying to be.
I feel like I may be stepping into a snake pit here by saying this, but I have to: The first TRANSFORMERS was actually pretty good, and while it had plenty of silly, crass moments, it was rarely as insulting or as incoherent as this sequel. For starters, its funny parts actually were funny. And there was some genuine exaltation in the depiction of the huge-ass fighting robots. I think it’s pretty clear from the sequel that, knowing that there was a huge payday for them at the end of this, everybody involved (including the screenwriters, who were reportedly paid $6 million to NOT write a script) just decided to throw as much shit at the wall as they could to distract viewers from the particular emptiness at this one’s core.
So, I’m hearing conflicting reports about this movie (which I have no intention of seeing, but never mind that)…
Is it wall-to-wall action from start to finish, or are there long stretches of lame sitcom-style humour and endless plot exposition? Basically, what percentage of the film would you say consists of giant robots battling humans and/or themselves?
And though I’m sure the film is crap, I wish some people would stop trotting out the old “It has no plot” critique: it just gives supporters of the film an easy opportunity for a long-winded rebuttal. The plot may be inane, but from all appearances, it does seem to possess one.
Millions spent for farting robots. Sorry, this is an enormously stupid and soulless, obscene waste of money. Spielberg must be a little ashamed at those ghetto-bots. William Holden’s speech to Faye Dunaway about television in NETWORK sums up this movie’s corruption.
@ Bilge: i get where you’re coming from as I hoped to convey in my description of what I like about the action stuff in this film. But I think we can both wholeheartedly agree that this picture takes what was cool about the first and almost willfully flushes it down the toilet. Which leads me to…
@ JC: By my most generous estimate, the cutesy-poo sitcom bullshit and other factors of badness outweigh the kickass action stuff by a ratio of 6 to 1. And the factors of badness are so bad that they make it seem like more. But I’d love to hear your breakdown when/if you see it.
Glenn, I’m not feeling as masochistic as in previous summers, and am picking my spots pretty carefully this year. And seeing as Bay has never gotten my money in the past, I don’t see any reason why Transformers: ROTFL would be made an exception.
Thanks for taking one for the team, though. 😉
“I don’t care that they were racist (it’s a movie, they are CGI robots, and racist humor is usually funny and accepted by all professional comedians)”
UGH. You’re confusing ‘racist’ humor with ‘racial’ humor. Dave Chappelle makes racial jokes. He doesn’t make racist jokes. Jeez.
I noticed a lot of the prequel tie-in stuff- Alan Dean Foster’s novel (Simmons actually has a specific reason for living with his mother) and the comic prequels published by IDW (Bumblebee losing his voice again in a fight with Starscream, the history between Megatron and the Fallen) fill in all the plot holes. I wonder.
@MarkJ
Oh, come on. The last fourteen years have brought us some good stuff. Just sticking with comics, we’ve got “The Dark Knight”, plus “X‑Men” and “X2”, “Iron Man”, the first two “Spider-Man” movies, and cult films like “Superman Returns” and “Hulk” (both of which I’m a card-carrying member of the fan club). Plus the first “Pirates of the Carribean”, “Mr. And Mrs. Smith”, the two new Bonds, and we even had an action trilogy, “Bourne”, that didn’t go wildly off the rails. Plus we’ve had little cult films like “Doomsday” and “Shoot ‘Em Up”. There’s no lack of good action filmmaking, it’s just, as always, there’s plenty of shit out there too.
“What does transforming robot want? Dear God! What does it want?”
– Sigmund Freud
That was supposed to have come after Dan Coyle’s comment on page one. I will now strike myself hard in the face.
@Dan
The only movies you listed that I would rate are the ‘Bourne’ movies (especially the Greengrass ones). The comic-book movies you listed left me cold (especially ‘Superman Returns’, which was abysmal, especially in comparison to Donner’s original). ‘X‑Men 2’ and ‘Hulk’ were fun, but the quality of filmmaking is not on a par with the likes of Cameron, McTiernan, Verhoeven etc. I enjoyed ‘Casino Royale’ but have no desire to see it again really, and ‘Quantum of Solace’ was pretty dire, modelling Bond on Bourne was the best direction Broccoli and Wilson could take the series in? I enjoyed Craig’s performance as Bond in ‘Royale’ but he seemed completely bored in ‘Solace’, and with a screenplay like the one the film was saddled with I can see why.
‘Mr & Mrs Smith’ was a lame remake of ‘True Lies’. Comparing the action in those two films demonstrates where action films have really gone off the rails recently. Cameron is a master, clearly laying out the geography in his shots and editing them brilliantly so they flow beautifully.
Take a look at the shot where Arnie pulls Jamie Lee Curtis off the roof of the limo that then goes flying off the end of the bridge int the water below, all done in a wide master. When was the last time you saw anything like that in a blockbuster movie? Or compare the toilet fights in ‘True Lies’ and ‘Casino Royale’. I still say i’m right that the blockbuster has seen a massive decline over the last few years. Hopefully ‘Avatar’ can turn the tide.
Batman Forever was much more entertaining than the first Transformers.
I watched it with my sister and first off, he chose the “I’m so excited” song simply because it’s something everyone has heard and is familiar with. All of his stereotypes are old simply because he wants everyone to be able to feel something in common with the movie.
Or, to paraphrase Philip J. Fry: “But that’s not why people watch movies. Clever things make people feel stupid, and unexpected things make them feel scared.”
Since it’s been bandied about here as some sort of antidote to stupid, crass blockbusters, I should probably point out that “The Hurt Locker” was directed by Kathryn Bigelow, who brought us, among other things, “Point Break,” “Blue Steel,” “Strange Days,” and “K‑19: The Widowmaker.” These are all okay-to-good high-action movies, but it’s not like she’s Wim Wenders or Werner Herzog or something.
“racist humor is usually funny and accepted by all professional comedians”
I am a scientist, and my studies show that this is true.
my favorite review of ROTF: http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie?skyline=true&s=i
“– And it’s all just so unnecessary. The ridiculousness of the robots’ conception is mirrored rather spectacularly in their designs, and once you’re cool with that, seeing them in action is like watching a couple of James Rosenquist murals come to life. Which has the potential to be, well, pretty damn cool. –”
Ok, so here’s the deal. If you grew up in the early 80s – like me – and you watched the original Transformers movies and want to go out and recapture a little bit of your childhood, this is a good movie.
If you find the very basic premise of talking transforming robot cars ludicrous, you’re going to get hung up on all the admittedly really crappy elements that went along with it.
From the angle of a comic book fan and a child of the 80s, I’ll take the Transformers movies over Daredevil or the second two Spiderman Movies or Superman Returns or either Fantastic Four movie or any other number of made-it-to-the-big-screen comic book movies, because it succeeded in making a movie that did not horribly abuse my childhood. The Transformers transformed. There were lots of fight scenes. Hurray.
The plot – thin as it was – was honestly on par with Transformers: The Movie, the cartoon movie released fifteen years ago. The acting – bad as it was – was WAY better than you could ever hope to hear in the original cartoon. The racist stereotypes – as racist and backwards as they were – really were more of a distraction than anything. I see just as much retarded “pot brownies” and robot leg humping in any given romantic comedy or Friends rerun. And neither of them had giant car robots.
So… that.
Hmm, I grew up in the 1980s, watched the TV show, owned (and still own) a lot of the toys, cried when Optimus died in the 1986 movie (which was released 23 years ago)…
And Bay’s versions are still crap.
i just watched the movie and i really enjoyed it… it came together well and had every thing anybody is looking for in a movie.. from action to comedy.…from love to drama.… this movie had it all… i give an A plus to micheal bay for his exellent work.… and an F minus for the up-tight people who dont enjoy a well put film…
Very droll Enad.
Wait, you’re being serious?
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da movie was pg-13 it was funnni and awsome 200 mil in 5 dayz if u hate it oh well cus dats alot of money
All of you guys are fucking losers! it is the greatest movie ever! EVER! you fuckers who post negative comments and try to impress people who read these comments with your big words ( most if not all of you don’t even know what they mean) have no knowledge of anything regarding the transformers. It was a cartoon made into a brilliant movie. When they transform and fight, it is the most amazing thing that anyone has seen in a movie theater. You people try to disect every litle detail like you guys were actually smart! Fuck off!
In response to fuckerbot above (assuming he isn’t a parody which is getting harder and harder to detect these days), the description of the blog at the top of the page should be: “Some Came Running: Where we use big words to talk about film.”
Regarding the Lets Roll Comment by Prime in Revenge of the Fallen : He said it then FLEW AWAY
People go see this stuff, they leave disappointed, but oddly, they don’t seem to care– they go and do it again when the next POS hits the theaters. The impression I’m getting here is that you’re not even expected to enjoy this. It’s more like, “millions of dollars were spent and everybody’s talking about it, so you don’t want to be the last one to have seen it.” It’s like some awful YouTube video meme– “2 Girls 1 Cup“or something– you need to have seen it, so you do, but it’s not like you ENJOY it; it’s awful, and you knew that going into it. Enjoyment is not the point.
Sigh. As profoundly bad as T2:ROTF sounds, it’s probably going to look like a tour de force of the cinematographic arts once compared to the “Asteroids: The Movie.”
No, I’m not joking. They’re making an Asteroids movie.
And the real headdesk is that people WILL go see it.
I mean, what next? “Pong: The Movie”?
To be followed by “Pong: Double Fault” (this time it’s two-player)?
Actually, Karinova, if I’m not mistaken, the original Pong was two-player.
I’m frankly not sure that “Asteroids” would draw the crowds you think it would, and while I agree that it’s certainly a dubious premise for a movie, the assertion that it would make Transformers 2 look like a “tour de force of the cinematographic arts” is a little much, don’t you think?
I mean, you’re basically assuming that there’s a filmmaker who’s bad enough to make Michael Bay look that good, and that that filmmaker would be put in charge of “Asteroids”, an intellectual property that, as far as filmmaking goes, they’d pretty much have to make up whole-cloth– it’s not like “Asteroids” has some kind of epic mythology behind it.
And, frankly– dare I say it?– an “Asteroids” movie could be good. One man in a space-ship, alone in the dark, destroying asteroids– it could be a great meditation on loneliness, fear, and claustrophobia or a potent satirical metaphor for monotonous, hum-drum, meaningless work.
I don’t care that they were racist (it’s a movie, they are CGI robots, and racist humor is usually funny and accepted by all professional comedians)
I’d suggest checking your privilege, then rethinking what you just said. To whom is racist humor funny? Why?
@Steven Santos.
FYI, here at Some Came Running, we don’t use ‘big’ words. We use ‘multisyllabic’ words. That way we can tell them about our big words with big words. It just works better that way.
dude your a fucking moron
I figured this post would earn its share of trolls. What perplexes me is how long it took for some of them to get here.
Glenn: It shouldn’t be perplexing. They likely just got done watching the movie. Isn’t it somewhere around two-and-a-half weeks long?
Not sure whether or not to pay a buddy of mine back…
He nabbed a ticket for me early enough before they were sold out for the midnight matinée première. Came outta that theater rather perturbed. Garbage!
Though I could~ feel a teeny tiny bit better after finding out that the movie partly bored my nephews, and their under the tweens age.
bunch of idiots’ bay is a genius
his movie made almost 850 million dollars
bay and speilberg must go now and make a 3rd one
and it will make another ‘almost billion’