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Lineup #1

From the furi­ous cli­max of Don Siegel’s spec­tac­u­lar 1958 The Lineup, one of the crown jew­els of Sony’s new and very wel­come Film Noir Classics I set. The get­away car tak­ing an exit ramp to nowhere and nar­rowly miss­ing a fatal drop is clas­sic Siegel: a fant­ast­ic thrill gen­er­at­or first and fore­most, and also a fant­ast­ic visu­al meta­phor that the dir­ect­or knows just how far to push.

The Lineup, writ­ten by Sterling Silliphant, is an odd, tetchy, tingly little beast without a single ingra­ti­at­ing char­ac­ter with­in miles. The first sec­tion sees a couple of San Francisco cops dourly invest­ig­at­ing the death of one of their own. These two char­ac­ters, played by the sleekly offi­cious Warner Anderson and a lum­ber­ing, oafish Emile Meyer, are clearly not officers you want to get on the wrong side of, even a little bit. About a half-hour through the pic­ture shifts focus to a couple of hired crim­in­als out to retrieve a ship­ment of drugs that was stashed in items held by vari­ous tour­ists on a trans-Pacific cruise. The tricky part is that the tour­ists are unknow­ing mules. 

These two guys, the loose-cannon psy­cho Julian Dancer (an elec­tric Eli Wallach) and his dourly avun­cu­lar keep­er Julian (a pathet­ic­ally poignant Robert Keith) are among the most mem­or­able hoods in movie his­tory, and SIegel’s cam­era just eats up their every inter­ac­tion and indi­vidu­al tic. The pic­ture’s boil­ing point hap­pens when Dancer feels com­pelled to abduct a single mom and her little girl. 

Anyway, if you haven’t seen it, it’s an abso­lute must, a cine­mat­ic dare­dev­il act leap­ing from one gid­dily charged moment to anoth­er. Amidst all the thrills, there’s a  dis­tinctly intel­lec­tu­al vibe that creeps into the movie, par­tic­u­larly when Wallach’s Dancer nego­ti­ates with a wheelchair-bound fel­low known as “The Man” (Vaughn Taylor, Janet Leigh’s fuss­budget boss in Psycho, here cast bril­liantly against type as some­thing like a human icepick).

Lineup #2 

There’s an almost, dare I say it, Sartre-esque feel to the way fate is doled out in this scene. Spooky, and prac­tic­ally edifying!

The present­a­tion also fea­tures a com­ment­ary in which the sober film noir expert Eddie Mueller attempts to rein in crime nov­el­ist James Ellroy, who sounds as if a) he’s hopped up on what they used to call goof­balls, and b) would like to come off like one of the more offens­ively non-PC char­ac­ters who pop­u­late his nov­els. When Mueller can sit on Ellroy a little bit, they both strut their eru­di­tion most impress­ively, but it’s when Ellroy can­’t be con­tained that this fea­ture is most enter­tain­ing. Although you’re likely to be grate­ful that the guy’s only talk­ing to you from your home theat­er and not actu­ally in the same room with you. I just star­ted on Ellroy’s American Tabloid tri­logy, and I must say, when he’s cook­ing the writer pretty much defines the term “com­puls­ively readable.”

I want to delve in to the Sony set a little more soon, but right now I’m obliged to con­trast the coming-to-American-screens soon one-part ver­sion of John Woo’s Red Cliff with the sprawl­ing Chinese two-parter. Which I may talk about at The Auteurs’ next week. 

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  • Pete Segall says:

    The most recent Paris Review has an Art of Fiction inter­view with Ellroy which does seem to indic­ate that, yes, he is one of his own characters.
    http://www.theparisreview.org/viewinterview.php/prmMID/5948

  • bill says:

    Want box set. Very much.
    Have you not read Ellroy before, Glenn? Some of his stuff is truly amaz­ing (like THE BIG NOWHERE). AMERICAN TABLOID is the only part of that tri­logy I’ve read so far, and much of the gen­er­al philo­sophy behind those books is very much ana­thema to me, but I’ll be god­damned if I could stop read­ing it.
    His com­ment­ary with Muller on CRIME WAVE is very good. I like when Ellroy says it’s a bet­ter movie than CHINATOWN, and Muller says, “You’re insane.”
    I also really like the com­ment­ary he does with James Vanderbilt and Brad Fischer on the dir­ect­or’s cut of ZODIAC. At one point, apro­pos of not much, Ellroy says, “Do you guys know the mes­sage of MOBY DICK?” They say no, what is it, and Ellroy says, “Don’t fuck with a white whale.” Then one of the oth­er guys (I think Vanderbilt) says, “It’s subtle, but it’s in there.”

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    @ bill: Up until now the only Ellroy I’ve read is “My Dark Places,” which killed me so good that it kind of spoiled me for his fic­tion for a while. Now I’m in danger of get­ting hooked real bad. I love the “Crime Wave” com­ment­ary and clearly have to get around to the “Zodiac” one.
    Did any book review­ers get on Ellroy’s dick for rewrit­ing his­tory in “Tabloid” the way some film crit­ics con­demned Tarantino for “IG?”

  • bill says:

    @Glenn -
    “Did any book review­ers get on Ellroy’s dick for rewrit­ing his­tory in “Tabloid” the way some film crit­ics con­demned Tarantino for “IG?”
    Ha, no, to my know­ledge no one ever did. Funny, isn’t it?
    Can you believe I still haven’t read MY DARK PLACES? Every time I’ve tried to start it, I could­n’t con­nect, for which I blame my gen­er­al mood, dis­trac­tions, and so forth. I abso­lutely NEED to get on that.
    Also, for a good, non-sensational (des­pite the title) look at Ellroy, you should watch the doc­u­ment­ary JAMES ELLROY’S FEAST OF DEATH (some­times just called FEAST OF DEATH). It’s very good.

  • Michael Adams says:

    Am old enough to have seen and loved THE LINEUP TV series. Saw film in its ori­gin­al release as pos­sibly first movie based on TV series, as opposed to remakes or cobbled-together epis­odes, and remem­ber lik­ing it even bet­ter. Haven’t seen it since. Seeing it, BABY FACE NELSON, and EDGE OF ETERNITY with­in two years made me, even as a snot­nosed kid, aware of Siegel as dir­ect­or dur­ing a time when Hitchcock, Welles,and Ford were the only ones I knew.

  • lazarus says:

    This talk of Ellroy and Zodiac reminds me once again of how we could have had a phe­nom­en­al Black Dahlia adapt­a­tion instead of that THING wrought by Brian De Palma.
    Fincher’s with­draw­al from that pro­ject is one of the sad­dest bits of movie news I’ve ever experienced.
    And Glenn, if you think the his­tory rewrit­ing in American Tabloid is con­tro­ver­sial, you’re going to freak over The Cold Six Thousand. A great follow-up, and I really need to get the con­clud­ing install­ment that was just released.

  • trooper york says:

    Check out Ellroy’s book “My Dark Places” where he invest­ig­ates the murder of his moth­er and you will get a pretty good idea of where the crazy comes from. Really inter­est­ing stuff.

  • trooper york says:

    Sorry, did­n’t read your com­ment where you said you have already read it. So you know. What a character!

  • Flickhead says:

    Glenn, per­haps you can help me ID a movie I saw sev­er­al times on TV in the early 60s. It was prob­ably B&W, mid/late 50s – the era of The Lineup. A group of crim­in­als were hid­ing inside the empty tank of an oil truck. (One of them wore eye­glasses.) All nervous and sweaty, they start freak­ing out and may have opened fire on one anoth­er (my memory’s sketchy). At a road­b­lock, a cop ques­tions the driver, and, to make sure there’s oil in the truck, opens the spig­ot. Out of the spig­ot fall the eye­glasses of one of the bad guys.
    That’s all I got. I thought it was Hubert Cornfield’s Plunder Road, but, alas, it’s not.

  • Earthworm Jim says:

    I really like Ellroy, but I could­n’t get through “The Cold Six Thousand,” the second volume in the tri­logy he just wrapped up. At some point the hyper-staccato prose style crossed over from com­pel­ling (as it mostly was in “American Tabloid”) to unread­able, for me at least. A con­sensus seems to be form­ing that Ellroy’s polit­ic­al books com­prise his best work, but I prefer the earli­er L.A. Quartet novels–or, rather, the two of them I’ve read (“The Black Dahlia” and “The Big Nowhere,” both stun­ning, tran­scend­ent works of crime fiction).
    “Big Nowhere” is prac­tic­ally *beg­ging* to be a movie. Somebody needs to get on that. Fincher, maybe?

  • bill says:

    Out of the spig­ot fall the eye­glasses of one of the bad guys.”
    Shit, that sounds famil­i­ar. That may be just because I’ve heard that scene described before, but still…it rings the faintest of bells.

  • lazarus says:

    White Jazz has been in vari­ous stages of pre-production for like 5 years now, right? Last I remem­ber John Cusack was attached. That book is pretty crazy too, and really began the change in Ellroy’s style that would be in full ben­zedrine force in the cur­rent series.

  • 1. That’s not just any unfin­ished free­way – that’s the Embarcadero Freeway, which SF used to ampu­tate the water­front from the city. It also made sev­er­al not­able appear­ances in vari­ous SF-set films over the years, and was torn down post-Loma Prieta. I think that street cross­ing in front of the unfin­ished EF in the fore­ground is Howard Street.
    2. laz­arus, I must step in to defend – well, not the whole film, but at least cer­tain aspects of De Palma’s Black Dahlia. Yes, the cast­ing was unfor­tu­nate. I actu­ally think BDP’s prob­lem was that he was *too* faith­ful to Ellroy’s mater­i­al – the parts where De Palma made it his own (espe­cially the “screen tests” with Mia Kershner, and the full-on gonzo fam­ily scenes) were really fant­ast­ic. A big dis­ap­point­ment, yes – but with will­power and vis­ion it really should have been amazing.

  • bill says:

    WHITE JAZZ is my least favor­ite of the LA Quartet, though it does have its moments. I remem­ber lov­ing a bit of describ­ing Klein “kick­ing through TV wreck­age” (or some­thing like that) to get out of a room.
    But the LA Quartet relied too heav­ily on one par­tic­u­lar plot device, in each of the books (some­thing that was cut out of the film ver­sion of LA CONFIDENTIAL, and some­thing I won’t describe in defer­rence to those who haven’t read the nov­els) and by WHITE JAZZ it just seemed silly. If looked at from a dis­tance, all the books would prob­ably look silly, but I don’t look at them like that, of course. It’s just that with WHITE JAZZ Ellroy seemed to be spin­ning his wheels a little bit, and I think it’s best that he left those books behind at that point.
    As for the BLACK DAHLIA film, did­n’t Ellroy see an early cut of the movie that he abso­lutely flipped for, but was con­sid­er­ably colder towards the cut that was actu­ally released? That’s what I’ve heard, and I know he said very nice things about the film early on, but I don’t know of any dir­ect quotes about the final film.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    @ Flickhead, and Bill: Yeah, a bell’s ringing for me too, but very faintly. Obviously whichever pic­ture this is, it lif­ted the “gang hid­ing out in the tank of a gas/oil truck” from “White Heat,” back in 1949. So I need to draw a men­tal line from there…
    This is the second “Ask Glenn”-type ques­tion I’ve got­ten in the past week. Could be time to revive that fea­ture as a recur­ring blog post!…

  • bill says:

    Also, I just want to third what I said about THE BIG NOWHERE (which Earthworm Jim unof­fi­cially seconded): I really think that’s Ellroy’s mas­ter­piece. I haven’t read all of his books yet, but I’ve read enough to feel reas­on­ably secure in that opin­ion. This might sound snooty, but I think AMERICAN TABLOID is broadly con­sidered his best, but the deep-down crime fic­tion fans grav­it­ate towards THE BIG NOWHERE, and with very good reas­on. Parts of that book made my jaw drop. It’s really extraordinary.
    Also, it has the best title, and proudly car­ries the tra­di­tion of crime nov­els, or films, with “Big” in the title. Where did that start, I won­der? Hammett’s THE BIG KNOCKOVER came before THE BIG SLEEP, but Chandler’s nov­el is the first to my know­ledge to us the “Big” as part of a death meta­phor. My per­son­al favor­ite such title, though it’s not a great book (it’s not bad, though) is John D. MacDonald’s SLAM THE BIG DOOR. Anyway, a lot of crime writers have a “Big” title to their resume (death meta­phor or not). George Pelecanos (ptui!) has THE BIG BLOWDOWN, Elmore Leonard has THE BIG BOUNCE, and so on. I don’t know why I find that inter­est­ing, but I do.

  • lazarus says:

    I don’t know what Ellroy’s take on De Palma’s film was, in a fin­ished or unfin­ished ver­sion, but all I know what that I found the book heart­break­ing, and the film adapt­a­tion did­n’t move me one inch. I did see a screen­ing where the screen­writer was present, and he seemed pretty embar­rassed to speak about it after the film because of how far it had strayed from the ori­gin­al con­cep­tion of the adaptation.
    @ Confidence Man: I don’t con­sider myself a De Palma hater, but I think he had his head up his own ass on this one. Yeah, there was some great stuff in there but the guy has a lot of tal­ent so that’s to be expec­ted. But again, as someone who is a huge fan of the source mater­i­al, I would­n’t say the film’s prob­lem was any­thing to do with over-faithfulness. There’s no doubt in my mind (and Zodiac pretty much proves it with its sim­il­ar­ity) that Fincher would have turned in a mas­ter­piece. And at least it would­n’t have starred Josh Hartnett.

  • @ laz­arus: I’d ven­ture to guess that De Palma’s prob­lem was less hav­ing his head up his own ass, than hav­ing it up Ellroy’s or the pro­du­cer­’s or the stu­di­o’s ass. When BDP does work-for-hire, the res­ults are at best spotty.
    And, yes, a Fincher Black Dahlia would prob­ably have been pretty great.

  • I find Ellroy a sol­id, but frus­trat­ingly lim­ited writer, and his his­tor­ic­al books really cla­ri­fied my prob­lems with him: he’s so cyn­ic­al as to be kind of naïve. In Ellroy’s fic­tion, no one ever does any­thing out of con­vic­tion, it’s all thugs look­ing for a pay­out. Which is a fun per­spect­ive to write from (and the books are flaw­lessly enter­tain­ing), but pretty scream­ingly implaus­ible to any­one who’s ever had the least con­tact with actu­al gov­ern­ment, where true believ­ers are thick on the ground. Much prefer Don DeLillo’s Libra for a plausible-albeit-false take on the Kennedy assassination.

  • bill says:

    he’s so cyn­ic­al as to be kind of naïve.”
    I don’t dis­agree, and that’s a good way of put­ting the world­view of his books, Fuzzy. But he’s such a good writer that I can­’t bring myself to mind that much. My angle on this prob­lem would be his treat­ment of law enforce­ment, which is the same as his treat­ment of politi­cians: they’re all cor­rupt thugs, or ladder-climbers, and decency has to be beaten out of them. In real life, Ellroy makes no secret of his genu­ine admir­a­tion for cops, but in his fic­tion he’s often doing some­thing else, and if the book works, the book works.
    But I agree, LIBRA is bril­liant. I’m not the world’s biggest DeLillo fan gen­er­ally, but that book is fant­ast­ic. Ellroy thinks so to, for what it’s worth.

  • Earthworm Jim says:

    I think “American Tabloid” and “Libra” actu­ally work well in tan­dem, since the lat­ter focuses on Oswald, and Ellroy wisely leaves him out alto­geth­er. Plus they’re really com­ing at it from dif­fer­ent per­spect­ives; DeLillo is inter­ested in how the per­son­al details of a life affect the sweep of his­tory, and Ellroy’s thes­is is basic­ally that dan­ger­ous sociopaths were the secret archi­tects of 20th cen­tury America. Both per­spect­ives are fas­cin­at­ing from where I sit, although I def­in­itely prefer DeLillo in gen­er­al. (And I’d cer­tainly rather have lunch with him; I’d nev­er want to go any­where near Ellroy.)

  • David N says:

    The only half-decent art­icle in the latest issue of Empire is an Ellroy inter­view, in which he talks a little about the status of the HBO future of “American Tabloid” and “Cold Six Thousand” and dis­cusses the DePalma “Black Dahlia” (he loved what he saw in dailies, basic­ally, and says that the cuts des­troyed Hartnett’s per­form­ance). He also disses “Libra” as full of “arty-farty” writ­ing before basic­ally admit­ting that he stole the entire idea of the polit­ic­al nov­els from DeLillo.
    I love Ellroy, have read everything, and my favour­ites are “The Big Nowhere” (which may be his darkest book, so full of pain is it) and “American Tabloid” (where he per­fects his later stac­cato jazz style – funny that he accuses DeLillo of being arty-farty when the writ­ing in “Cold Six Thousand” is so exper­i­ment­al and, yes, full of its own attemp­ted poetry). “My Dark Places” is really a fant­ast­ic com­pli­ment to his fic­tion – it explains each of his them­at­ic obses­sions in turn.
    Besides “Libra”, DeLillo’s massive, amaz­ing “Underworld” also has quite a lot in com­mon with late Ellroy.

  • bill says:

    @David – Ellroy often goes out of his way to con­tra­dict him­self and pro­voke people. He has said MANY times that LIBRA is so good that he knew he would nev­er be able to match it:
    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,982796,00.html
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009–09-21/ellroys-favorite-crime-reads/

  • otherbill says:

    To any and all who might be curi­ous, Ellroy’s latest – “Blood’s a Rover”- ratchets back the the styl­ist­ic tics that made “Cold Six Thousand” a bit of an endur­ance test at times. It also becomes very much about broken men seek­ing the approb­a­tion of women who are stronger than they.
    Two oth­er Ellroy notes: I atten­ded one of his book sign­ings about five years ago. As he took my copy, I told him that I’d read the LA Quartet while work­ing the worst job I’ve ever had for a law firm in Carlsbad NM (I still tell the story at parties). He reared back- “Oh god! You’re a law­yer?!” I assured him I was not. My copy was returned with the inscrip­tion “To Bill- Fuck law­yers!- James Ellroy”
    There’s a doc­u­ment­ary on Ellroy sub­titled some­thing like DEMON DOG OF CRIME FICTION. There’s a great bit where he’s on a hill over­look­ing down­town LA. He looks into the camera- “I did­n’t just want to write crime nov­els. I wanted to write big books about soci­ety. Like Balzac and Tolstoy and all of those oth­er writers I… really nev­er read.”

  • jbryant says:

    Michael: I think 1954’s DRAGNET was the first film based on a TV series.
    Siegel was the man. I’d kill to see BABY FACE NELSON. I guess CHARLEY VARRICK is my favor­ite. Would love to see THE LINEUP again, and indeed every film in this box. They’re all good’uns.

  • bill says:

    This is off top­ic, but Glenn, are you aware of this?
    http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/thedead.php

  • John says:

    Very excited for this, as well as Murder by Contract. Ellroy on the DVD com­ment­ary of Crime Wave as well is a must listen.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    @ Bill: Yeah, I’m aware of the “Dead” screwup, but only via the same reports you are; I haven’t seen it yet. The notion that only fly-by-night out­fits can screw up a DVD has always been a naïve myth, but this example would appear to take a very par­tic­u­lar cake…

  • Tom Russell says:

    The notion that only fly-by-night out­fits can screw up a DVD has always been a naïve myth, but this example would appear to take a very par­tic­u­lar cake…”
    That is, indeed, the cake-taker.
    Another example would be Magnolia’s LET THE RIGHT ONE IN sub­titling snafu. Hopefully, Lion’s Gate will come clean about their mis­hap instead of claim­ing there’s noth­ing wrong with it, as Magnolia did with their botched and insult­ing sub­titles; any com­pany that seems con­tent on giv­ing Soderbergh money to make movies is alright in my book, but Magnolia does seem con­tent on doing everything else in their power to ali­en­ate people who care about movies (cf. the REDACTED con­tro­versy, or provid­ing VOD releases that start in widescreen and then shift to pan-and-scan after the cred­its; ser­i­ously, is there any­one still left who thinks let­ter­box­ing gives you less of the picture?)
    But I’m prob­ably get­ting on my own hobby-horse here. To cen­ter things a bit more, and because it is, indeed, fun to Ask Glenn (or any­one, for that mat­ter): what are some of the oth­er not­able DVD screw-ups?

  • bill says:

    Even if Lion’s Gate had­n’t made this unfor­giv­able error with the print they used, they should still be strung up for that hor­rif­ic cov­er art. That sweet, sparkly pic­ture of Angelica Huston under the title THE DEAD is almost hil­ari­ous. Almost.
    Tom – If you and I are think­ing of the same REDACTED con­tro­versy, I don’t blame Magnolia for that one. At all.

  • Tom Russell says:

    Bill– you know what, you’re right, I don’t blame them either– I don’t blame them mor­ally, nor on leg­al grounds because, after all, they are a com­pany and they need to cov­er their ass– and so I’ll with­draw that part of my argu­ment (damn me and my obsessive-compulsive pen­chant for com­ing up with three examples!). I should have prob­ably just men­tioned the sub­title thing and left it at that. (My apo­lo­gies to all.)
    And, yes, indeed, that cov­er art is quite horrific.
    As an unabashed fan of Donal McCann– what a mag­net­ic, com­pel­ling, power­ful act­or he was!– I’ve been want­ing to see THE DEAD for some time and had been excited about this DVD release… until now, that is.

  • The Siren says:

    Cut 10 minutes out of the great John Huston’s swan song? One whole sequence left out, and nobody noticed before the thing came out?
    For this, the Siren needs her smelling salts, lace hanky AND the faint­ing couch. And she’s draw­ing the shades while she’s at it.

  • Dan says:

    The idea of Fincher dir­ect­ing Ellroy makes me wince. I ser­i­ously can­’t think of a worse pair­ing between writer and dir­ect­or. No, wait, I take that back: Harlan Ellison and Fincher. But at least the behind-the-scenes mater­i­al would be hilarious.
    Since I know some­body will ask: I’m not on Fincher’s wavelength. I find his story sense to be bland; yes, he’s tech­nic­ally bril­liant, but if we’re going by tech­nic­al prowess, Kenny G’s a great musi­cian. And that pretty much sums up Fincher’s filmo­graphy for me: great chops, no fire, tastes like white bread (yes, even “Fight Club”, which is actu­ally a pro­foundly tim­id movie in the end). I’ve nev­er felt like the guy has made a single movie he actu­ally WANTS to make.

  • Tom Russell says:

    I think Fincher has made two really great films (FIGHT CLUB and ZODIAC), a couple decent-enough thrillers (SE7EN and PANIC ROOM), and some crap (ALIENS 3, THE GAME). In FIGHT CLUB and ZODIAC, I do sense a great deal of pas­sion, energy, and just-plain I‑have-to-make-this-ness that is com­ple­men­ted beau­ti­fully by his tech­nic­al expert­ise and strangely cold-and-clinical brand of razzle-dazzle. I could be pro­ject­ing, though, because ZODIAC is exactly the kind of based-on-true-fact/investigation/newspaper-reporter movie I wish there were more of.
    His oth­er films that I’ve seen (I have, as of yet, kept clear of BUTTON– from what I under­stand, I’ve done so with good reas­on?) do lack that fire and do seem rather, well, sou­less, so I do see where you’re com­ing from, Dan, even if I dis­agree about those two films.
    And while I under­stand that for Fincher to make the sorts of films he wants to make– films that do require a cer­tain budget­ary level and that are frankly unlikely to return the invest­ment– he needs to remain “com­mer­cially viable” by doing things like PANIC ROOM, at the same time, I am dis­heartened by the fact that his bad and merely-decent films out­num­ber his passionate/good ones, and am slightly per­plexed that someone thought PANIC ROOM needed to have a 3‑DVD box set fet­ish­ist­ic­ally chron­ic­ling every aspect of its production.

  • bill says:

    I think ZODIAC is a no-foolin’ mas­ter­piece. I think SEVEN is a decent, but highly over­rated, thrill­er. You can keep everything else he’s made, as far as I’m con­cerned. If ZODIAC was a fluke, then so be it, but it’s a glor­i­ous fluke.

  • Dan says:

    Let me put it this way: I think Fincher has great enthu­si­asm for cer­tain aspects of film­mak­ing. He’s cer­tainly highly tech­nic­ally accom­plished. But tell me what David Fincher, as an artist, cares about bey­ond that. The deep­est theme I’ve found in his work is “Life sucks, and usu­ally people suck too.”
    As far as “Zodiac” goes: it’s, well, quite tech­nic­ally accom­plished, and it’s got some excel­lent per­form­ances, in Downey’s case des­pite Fincher. But it feels to me like a mech­an­ic­al retell­ing of events, like Fincher wanted to make a movie about the Zodiac Killer, and that was it. “This is a movie about the Zodiac Killer.” OK…so?
    He’s an ad guy. He thinks like an ad guy, in terms of tech­nic­ally accom­plished shots of a brief length. His best work is ads. Take him bey­ond thirty seconds and, eh.
    On anoth­er note, I already know tomor­row’s Armond White quote:
    “The hype for Precious indic­ates a culture-wide will­ing­ness to accept par­tic­u­lar eth­nic ste­reo­types as a way of main­tain­ing status quo film val­ues. Excellent recent films with black themes—Next Day Air, Cadillac Records, Meet Dave, Norbit, Little Man, Akeelah and the Bee, First Sunday, The Ladykillers, Marci X, Palindromes, Mr. 3000, even back to the great Beloved (also pro­duced by Oprah)—have been ignored by the main­stream media and ser­i­ous film cul­ture while this car­ni­val of black degrad­a­tion gets cel­eb­rated. It’s a strange com­bin­a­tion of lib­er­al guilt and condescension.”

  • Tom Russell says:

    Dan– I agree that Fincher’s work has a cer­tain thread of mis­an­thropy, which is likely why I’m not as big of a Fincher boost­er as I am, say, an Anderson boost­er or a Scorsese boost­er (that, and the uneven qual­ity of the work).
    But I’d dis­agree that ZODIAC lacks an angle or depth; the distance/“mechanical”-ness, the dense thick­et of facts, fig­ures, and inform­a­tion, all build­ing to the inex­or­able, ter­ri­fy­ing, and unabashedly intellectual/non-visceral con­clu­sion that This Is The Guy That Did It: that’s pre­cisely what appeals to me about the film. It is not really an act­ors’ film the way that Fincher’s own FIGHT CLUB could be termed an act­ors’ film.
    And while, in gen­er­al, as both a view­er and as a film­maker, I prefer act­ors’ films and act­ors’ dir­ect­ors– scenery, I have often main­tained, was made to chewed– I think if ZODIAC had been more attuned to human emotions/performances, less “mech­an­ic­al”, more vis­cer­al, it would have been a much less­er film. Andrew Wright fam­ously said it was like being locked in a fil­ing cab­in­et, and that’s pre­cisely what I loved about it: it’s pos­it­ively THICK with pro­cess, some­thing that’s been gone for far too long from far too many procedurals.

  • David N says:

    There is an uncut ver­sion of “The Dead” on R2 DVD, which has been avail­able for a couple of years now, and is the kind of thing Glenn reviews in his Foreign Region DVD Report on occasion.
    I’m in the camp for “Zodiac” as a mas­ter­piece. It grows with each view­ing, as great films tend to. Besides the obvi­ous pleas­ures of its labyrinth of pro­ced­ure and Fincher’s tech­nic­al abil­ity (here absorbed by the nar­rat­ive in a way he had nev­er before mastered), it is an incred­ibly creepy film, con­sid­er­ing how much of it is set in brightly lit offices. Fincher has always been good with atmo­sphere – I guess that comes from adverts and pop promos – and the dread that seeps into some scenes in “Zodiac” is palpable.

  • Dan says:

    I agree “Zodiac” is an atmo­spher­ic movie; you know where every nick­el went. But part of my prob­lem is that there is no sense of dread to me per­son­ally, maybe because I know the facts of the case, maybe because of a lack of a lar­ger point to the film that’s inter­est­ing or ter­ribly unique. Fincher’s fin­ger­print is entirely tech­nic­al. I love police pro­ced­ur­als, espe­cially Evan Hunter’s 87th Precinct, but there has to be some­thing more there to jus­ti­fy watch­ing char­ac­ters shuffle paper; Hunter uses the police as a per­spect­ive into the joys and sor­rows of a city. “Zodiac” is just empty to me, a very well-done “dra­mat­ic reen­act­ment” for an A&E spe­cial or something.

  • Pete Segall says:

    @Tom – for the unini­ti­ated, what was the prob­lem with the Let The Right One In sub­titles? I sup­pose I could Google it, or just wait for the remake by the guy who did Cloverfield…
    And as long as I’m here I’s like to affirm my mem­ber­ship in the Zodiac for mas­ter­piece chor­us. It is indeed a monu­ment­ally creepy movie but also, I guess because it’s about memory and for­get­ting, an oddly mov­ing one too. That glance between Gyllenhaal and John Carroll Lynch is just shattering…

  • bill says:

    @Pete – When LET THE RIGHT ONE IN was released on DVD, it was dis­covered by those who’d already seen it in the theat­ers that the sub­titles on the DVD were dif­fer­ent, and less nuanced.
    Here’s a comparison:
    http://iconsoffright.com/news/2009/03/let_the_wrong_subtitles_in_to.html
    Supposedly, when this came out, Magnolia agreed to release a DVD with the the­at­ric­al sub­titles, but I don’t know if that ever happened.

  • Pete Segall says:

    @Bill – Thanks. I’m pretty sure the ver­sion I wound up see­ing was the clunked up one, which, I now real­ize, is a shame. What was equally weird/annoying, but I guess now makes sense, was that the disc defaul­ted to the dubbed ver­sion. I did­n’t think any­one had been prim­ing their DVDs like that since the mid 80s.

  • Tom Russell says:

    The trans­la­tion I found par­tic­u­lar ridicu­lous was trans­lat­ing “Eli”– a char­ac­ter­’s name, which we’ve heard many times before– to “I’m trapped.” I know trans­la­tion is a tricky thing– look at, for example, the two very dif­fer­ent but equally “right” sub­title trans­la­tions on Criterion’s release of THRONE OF BLOOD to see what an art it is– but when you got it right once, why do it a second time, and poorly?
    From what I recall, Magnolia said they would issue the new DVD— when the old one had sold out. Oy vey…
    (Make sure you read the let­ter at bot­tom in the link Bill provided; it really reflects on how Magnolia looks at its film-literate consumers.)

  • Tom Russell says:

    Addendum: The dir­ect­or of LET THE RIGHT ONE IN has also derided the new sub­title trans­la­tion, call­ing it a “tur­key translation”.

  • Tom Russell says:

    Sorry to be post­ing three com­ments in a row, but I just wanted to add:
    I under­stand that a com­pany wants to get the biggest share of con­sumers pos­sible, and that aim­ing your films squarely at the Arthouse Crowd leads to dimin­ish­ing rev­en­ues and impairs your abil­ity to con­tin­ue dis­trib­ut­ing films. And if you have a film that has a lot of poten­tial for genre cros­sov­er– such as, say, a vam­pire film, or a rom-com like Swanberg’s “Hannah Takes the Stairs”, which, no mat­ter what you might think of the film, was saddled with some of the worst and most bland cov­er art this side of, um, Lions Gate’s release of THE DEAD– that you want to grab some of that audi­ence, you want to tar­get them in the mar­ket­ing. To me, that makes per­fect, crys­tal sense, and I sup­port that com­pletely. In their hey­day, the Weinsteins were geni­uses at this: look at how many people who won’t “read” a for­eign lan­guage film fell in love with Amelie.
    But: if in chas­ing after the wider audi­ence (who is usu­ally already res­ist­ant to your wares, what with them being res­ist­ant to vam­pires that don’t glit­ter in the sun­light and shaky-cam com­ed­ies about straight guys mak­ing gay porn [HUMPDAY]) you do things that are almost guar­unteed to piss off the so-called core audi­ence– well, to me, that does not make sound eco­nom­ic sense, because you might end up los­ing both in the long-run.
    I’m not say­ing that a com­pany should be behold­en to the whims of its fan­base– if that was true, the sales of the Nintendo Wii and its games would look a lot more like the sales of the PS3 and its games– but that, as in all things, there’s a bal­an­cing act.
    Or, to put it more succintly: Niche dis­trib­ut­ors prob­ably should­n’t regard their niche audi­ence with disdain.

  • Stephen Bowie says:

    S‑T-I-R-L-I-N‑G. M‑U-L-L-E‑R.
    Ellroy might be enter­tain­ing on an audio com­ment­ary (although I doubt it) but trust me, it takes about three seconds for his schtick to get old in per­son. I love all of the L.A. Quartet, but after that his nov­els star­ted to feel like read­ing six hun­dred pages of tele­grams. If “Blood’s a Rover” marks a comeback, it’ll be a wel­come one.