One of the interesting things about writing for a larger, more mainstream audience, as I have been doing, and quite happily at that, for MSN Movies, is the feedback you get, and the ways some people track you down in order to provide that feedback. As, for instance, the complaint of one “Sauncie” concerning my negative notice on The Tourist, in a post on this blog that has no relation to The Tourist. Another dissatisfied customer contacted me via my Facebook account. This individual wrote, in part, “…your review seemed extremely arrogant, self-assuming, full of big words to try and impress people who have no clue as to what you are talking about. Your veiled insults to the fun Pirates movies was extremely irritating. One thing that I think all critics forget is that they are watching MOVIES. Things that are NOT real but made for entertainment purposes. You may not like the story, and that is your right, of course, but could you maybe dare to condescend to the little people and word it to where people can understand it easier and not want to throw darts at a picture of your face? Chronicles of Narnia are fun adventure movies.…why take them so seriously. Relax, stop trying to impress people and let yourself be taken away. By the way, the Pirates movies were fantastically done. The last one may have had too much of a story but hey, it was easy to let yourself get into.……IF you let yourself. Take care.”
The review in question was of the new (and lousy) Narnia movie with the seafaring stuff, but as you’ll note, my correspondent was more irritated by my incredibly offhand (albeit admittedly sarcastic) and brief mention of the Pirates of the Cari-whatsis film franchise therein. I was somewhat reminded of back in the early ’90s, during my brief but glorious sojourn as the Sci-Fi/Fantasy columnist for TV Guide, and I was writing something about the then kinda inchoate Cartoon Network debuting a new series, and I said something along the lines of “Just in case you’ve had your fill of Huckleberry Hound reruns on the Cartoon Network,” which elicited this pained three-page letter from a minister (I forget which denomination) out in the Midwest taking me to task for disparaging this beloved, humane, wonderful cartoon character who never did anybody any harm. I always found that a little…well, quizzical. And whenever that story springs to mind, I remember when voice artist Daws Butler passed away in 1988, and the New York Daily News ran an obit of him, and they didn’t have a picture of him on file, so they ran a drawing of the beloved, humane, etc. character Huckleberry Hound, only the layout didn’t provide room for a very long caption, so the caption read “H.Hound.” Which, when it comes to mind, never doesn’t crack me up.
And this of course in turn reminds me of the great bit in the 1946 Disney animated short “Donald’s Double Trouble,” in which the ever-irascible Donald Duck finds himself once again alienated from the lovely Daisy. On the street Donald happens upon a doppelgänger, one who talks like Ronald Colman even, and persuades him to pose as Donald and make nice with Daisy. You can see where this is going. When the doppelgänger gets a load of Daisy, he figures he’s a cinch to tap that, particularly if he lays down the swanky smarm, which he correctly figures she’s not accustomed to from the other guy. “We’ll paint the town vermillion!” he promises her, and squires her to a nearby fair. Donald tails them, and keeps an obsessive record of all the PDAs he observes. It’s all very Raging Bull. Near the, erm, climax, the doppelgänger proposes to take Daisy through the fair’s Tunnel of Love. The enraged, desperate Donald scribbles a note, which he passes surreptitiously to his would-be destroyer:
Who knew that Donald, in the privacy of his interiority, referred to his own self as “Don?” Fascinating.
Incidentally, the argument raised by the objector to my dismissal of the Pirates of the Whozis movies—“Things that are NOT real but made for entertainment purposes”—is echoed in a much more full-of-big-words-to-try-and-impress-people fashion in a recent Die Filmkrant post by Adrian Martin.
At top: Hatfield and the North, a vault recording title of whom provides the name for this post. Their music is highly enjoyable to let yourself get into…IF you let yourself. No, really.
You should of written this as to where I could understand it better.
I remember that Donald cartoon! I always thought it a nice point of comparision for Mickey’s Rival, in which Mickey competes with a nasty, but not physically identical, doppelgänger for Minnie’s affections. What’s interesting is that Daisy is wooed by a suave Donald instead of the prone-to-fits-of-rage original; Minnie, on the other hand, seems attracted to a cruel frat-boy that’s picking on her gallant mouse.
Get ready for it…
…This is why I love this blog.
Oh, man. For some reason, I cannot stop giggling at the screenshot of that note.
Yeah, I think that Martin blurb confuses two different things – critical approval of accuracy, and critical approval of an unresolved ending (which happens to be accurate). Besides which, it’s hardly as if the main reason critics liked ZODIAC was an unresolved ending, though Fincher deserves praise for not tying things up with a tidy bow.
If “the little people” are going to defend the ‘Pirates’ movies as mainstream studio filmmaking, they need to remember that if the studio had had its way, there’d be a lot less Depp and much more Orlando in them. Then how many folks would’ve defended ’em, I wonder?
Critics treating the audience with contempt? Just contemplate the fact that Disney was trying to set Orlando Bloom up as the next DiCaprio or Damon – ORLANDO BLOOM, people! – then get back to me about “contempt”!
In fairness, I don’t think anyone is defending the PIRATES as “mainstream studio filmmaking”, but rather as movies they happened to like. They don’t give a shit that a studio had anything to do with it, nor should they.
For what it’s worth, I really enjoyed “The Tourist” and am still somewhat mystified by the critical opprobrium attached to it (I didn’t read Glenn’s review I admit). Sure, it’s not as good as its models, but it seemed to me an affectionate, unassuming throwback to an earlier type of studio film.
I haven’t seen “The Lives Of Others,” but had heard that it was rather overrated, so I didn’t know what to expect of Henckel von Donnersmark’s direction. But I find his work in this quite crisp, elegant even. I like to think I’m pretty neutral regarding most stars on the scene and I found Jolie and Depp’s performances to be subtle and charming.
>I’ve got one word for you, “DAH!!!”
I’m taking this one to my deathbed.
If we’re doing “for what it’s worth“s, then for what it’s worth I enjoyed the “Pirates” movies.
And Tom, “DAH!” is easily my favorite part of that, as well. That must have hit Glenn like a knife in the bowels.
GK’s place: where a post on any subject can wind up with an examination of the selfhood of Donald Duck. I love it!
Surely Martin doesn’t think that all the critics who embraced ZODIAC and other contemporary stabs at realism have also summarily dismissed everything that falls outside of that style? I was somehow able to include ZODIAC in my 2007 top ten alongside such realism-challenged efforts as HOT FUZZ and RATATOUILLE, without having an aneurysm even.
I’m now trying to get in contact with all the young people Thierry Jousse and I have influenced, and urging them to think twice.
That bit about “Don Duck” made my day. Hilarious.
Per the photo at the top of the page; I haven’t heard any Hatfield and the North, but if they ever do a movie about them, Rhys Ifans is a dead ringer for Richard Sinclair.
I was going to write a long piece about how the subtext of both of those asinine comments Glenn refers to seems to be how being a critic is both meaningless and worthless, but I’m not sure it’s worth wasting the effort on it.
I think the consensus is clear. If it leads to blog posts like this one, then Glenn needs to bait his MSN audience with even bigger words and digs at much more beloved franchises. Antidisestablismentarianism? Star Wars?
“I was going to write a long piece about how the subtext of both of those asinine comments Glenn refers to seems to be how being a critic is both meaningless and worthless, but I’m not sure it’s worth wasting the effort on it.”
No, it’s not. I mean, it’s not even subtextual; I’d say the average American has a distinct disdain for critics. To most moviegoers, film isn’t art, but a delivery device of thrills or humor or heartwarming sentiment, or inspirational uplift, or impressive special effects. Critics, in their opinion, are misguided snobs who fail to get this. But it’s fair to be skeptical about criticism. For example, up until maybe four or five years ago, I thought THE GODFATHER (1 and 2) and ON THE WATERFRONT were great films. A view widely shared among newspaper and popular magazine critics, i.e. the only criticism 99.99% of the population will ever read or see quoted. Even whoever’s involved in the Sight and Sound poll agrees. But, if you go to Dave Kehr’s site, you find that, among more serious critics, ones who write books on film, contribute to film journals, are asked to do commentaries on Bresson DVD’s, people say, without provoking much disagreement (except from the odd Mankiewicz enthusiast), that Brando never appeared in a great film. Conversely, all sorts of titles that will never get an American DVD release are celebrated as masterpieces. And nowadays I too would rather watch WICHITA a hundred more times before I watched THE GODFATHER or ON THE WATERFRONT again. But you do have to wonder a little about a school of criticism that deviates so severely from the views of the people actually consuming what is, after all, a form of mass pop culture. Perhaps you have to question whether the criteria on which WICHITA comes out looking like a much more interesting film than THE GODFATHER are criteria that are the end-all be-all of criticism, given that so many people greatly prize films that are obviously made to suit a very different set of criteria. Especially when I see things like Rosenbaum writing that GODFATHER III is his favorite because it comes closest to Manny Farber’s notion of termite art. I understand not liking the first two because they’re so aggressively non-termitic, it’s kind of my problem with them, but when a theory starts producing results so utterly divorced from the response of the typical filmgoer, you have to wonder whether critics should be more accommodating of films that are unabashedly a series of willfully iconic moments – or big explosions or stupid jokes, for that matter. I think it’s fair to say at least that of the films that try very hard for a sense of the epic, without much room for ambiguity, nuance, everyday detail, scenes that don’t advance the plot, and all the good stuff that makes, for example, CANYON PASSAGE a vastly more interesting film to auteurists than SHANE, THE GODFATHER’S one of the most successful. Maybe that’s where criticism should stop – whether a film succeeds at its own aims for itself – because a preference for termite art over willfully epic films is just that, a preference.
In response to Asher, yes even at the time, critics like John Simon, Vincent Canby, Stanley Kauffmann, Dave Kehr, Andrew Sarris and Jonathan Rosenbaum were unenthusiastic about THE GODFATHER. But then, what movie would all six of them like? I don’t think cinema commands the kind of kind of unanimity that literature can command. If neither F.R. Leavis or Georg Lukacs showed much love for “Ulysses” I think most students of literature would view this as a weakness of their critical approaches (English nationalism in Leavis’ case and Leninist unmodernist in Lukacs’). An attempt to read Shakespeare or Tolstoy out of the canon is likely to be viewed as eccentric at best, rather than taken seriously. By contrast, I don’t think there is any movie or moviemaker that could expect the same sort of indulgence. Jonathan Rosenbaum, in his article on the American Film Institute top 100 American movies, says he would have chosen about a quarter for his own list. But I don’t think it would possible to poll any cross section of American critics and not have CASABLANCA, the first two GODFATHERs, CHINATOWEN, or THE WIZARD OF OZ on such a list. There isn’t unanimity, but there can be a certain consensus.
lipranzer, when they make that movie (which I would, critic or no critic, pay to see), they’ve also got David Walliams pencilled in for Phil Miller, Ralph Fiennes for Pip Pyle, and Russell Crowe for Dave Stewart.
C’mon gang, let’s start a Facebook group to MAKE IT HAPPEN.
Why the heck do people who routinely ignore or dismiss critics’ opinions bother to read criticism? And then offer condescending advice about turning off your brain and just enjoying the ride, or whatever? Such folks have won the cultural war, if there was one. The studios pretty much only greenlight tentpoles and franchises and formulas. Nothing any critic writes will ever change that. Do the critic-bashers think dissenting opinions somehow threaten the possibility of continued mindless fun? Probably not, but I don’t understand why some of them are so eager to admit in a public forum that they don’t like to think much while being entertained, and that anyone who does must be some kind of insecure Poindexter with a stick up his butt.
Asher: I don’t have a time for a more elaborate or thoughtful response right now, but I just wanted to offer the following counterpoint: the ““typical filmgoer“ ‘s taste also changes over time. For example, the people emailing Glenn would probably dismiss now “The godfather” as “too slow”, and “On the waterfront” as “black and white?? Ugh!”
Just to be clear, by the way, I don’t feel at all affronted or offended by the comments I cite, and I’m totally fine with any sort of reader feedback—it’s part of how the game goes now, and I didn’t even mind it back in the day when it was done by snail mail and thus a bit less ubiquitous. I just thought those comments in particular were noteworthy in peculiar ways. And wanted to point out, implicitly at least, that as a fellow who enjoys Donald Duck cartoons, I in fact don’t have a thing against, you know, entertainment. It’s bad entertainment I have problems with. I don’t even reflexively disdain “white elephant” stuff.
Vincent Canby didn’t like THE GODFATHER? He certainly loved the first one. And Dave K? And GODFATHER III is termite art?
More importantly, who cares? There’s such a mad obsession in film criticism with lists, rankings, how much “love” is shown for this underappreciated movie rather than that AFI-sanctioned classic. There is a vast amount of attention paid to what critics like and don’t like, and precious little to what they write and what they think.
Manny, for instance. Everyone thinks of him now as the guy who stuck up for B movies and shot down the award winners. His thinking was always vastly more complicated, right from the start, and his assessments more nuanced than such a black and white, one shot definition would indicate. More importantly, opinions and assessments were at the bottom of his list (he once referred to the critic’s opinion, in an interview, as a “derelict appendage”), because he knew that opinions always changed along with the framework of thought. Hitchcock, for instance. He is known, because of NEGATIVE SPACE, for taking Hitchcock down a few pegs. His complete work tells a different story. And when he taught at UCSD, he taught more Hitchcock than any other filmmaker (Bunuel is a close second). And a few years ago, he took another look at ON THE WATERFRONT and was very excited by it.
But, it all gets reduced to what did he like and what did he hate. Because the energy behind so much criticism I read now works from a basic equation: liking a film = dismissing another film.
jbryant, I think most people are merely looking for affirmation of their experience. The only thing that matters to consumers of reviews/criticism is that the writer says what they already know. Most writers, of course, would rather that the reader discovers something previously unknown. We expect that because, for the most part, that’s why we read other critics. And heckfire, I’ll admit it, if Robert Christgau or Dave Marsh happened to rave over a record I already liked, I felt that affirmation myself.
Kent Jones says it best – “There is a vast amount of attention paid to what critics like and don’t like, and precious little to what they write and what they think.” This is why there has never been a public outcry when space has shrunk for reviews of any popular art. All that is desired is a simple yes or no.
I hope I never reach a level of film scholarship and erudition in which I am no longer allowed to like ON THE WATERFRONT or GODFATHER II.
Graig, what’s even more ridiculous is WHY it’s not okay to like ON THE WATERFRONT or GODFATHER II anymore: because enough people have liked them before and now it’s time to like something else.
Steve, I suppose you’re right about the public indifference to the shrinkage of space devoted to criticism. But my sense is that the common idea is off: that all criticism boils down to liked it/didn’t like it. In other words, I’m not sure that it’s desired, but what’s envisioned as proper.
I don’t understand why anyone writing about film should be expected to take any sort of point of view outside of their own, or why film critics, or people who write about films, should be any one specific thing. I happen to like a whole lot of mass appeal films, and wouldn’t bother myself reading anybody who thought Brando had never been in a great film, but why anyone should consider pulling back, even a little bit, from the ephemera (ie, movies that “will never” be released on DVD) of film is beyond me.
And the whole idea that film is “after all” a mass appeal artform doesn’t cut it, because so is every other artform you might care to name, if you want to go far enough back. This kind of thing is film culture at its most insular.
That “insular” comment sounds like contradictory to my point (unfinished thoughts are sort of my calling card). What I mean is, this sort of conversation strikes me as very insular, not to mention circular, not to mention etc.
I think a lot of this shifting of canon, so to speak, has to do with the fact that so much MORE is available to viewers these days. I honestly think that some people feel that this expansion of choice has to be made up for by somehow making the ‘list of approved films’ shorter; out with the old and in with the new.
And, of course, there is the framework of “National Cinemas” that expands this even further, depending on one’s own ability to access (I don’t think anyone would seriously argue that a Nollywood, or even Bollywood, has approached a comparative level of “sophistication” of (Classical) Hollywood Cinema, but whose to say they can even be compared. Some people would think it crazy to compare Ram Gopal Varma with Chan Wook Park or Makhmalbaf with Bresson, but that’s the beauty of criticism. If it makes you think/respond, it’s worth reading.
This discussion also reminds me of that series of books “1001 movies to see before you die”. Every year they feel like they have to include newer movies, so, inevitably older, already to-die-for films have to be dropped off to adhere to the 1001 number.
Crazy.
What Kent said, what Graig said, and what Kent said afterward.
One of my favorite Farber pieces is his warmly appreciative review of The Best Years of Our Lives, a movie as far from termite art as can be imagined.
“I hope I never reach a level of film scholarship and erudition in which I am no longer allowed to like ON THE WATERFRONT or GODFATHER II.”
The problem I have with this formula is that old canard that academic film writing, informed criticism and other acquisitions of knowledge leads to a place where one isn’t allowed to like certain works. People dislike movies for many reasons but the routinely offered presumption that scholarship equals the adoption of some elitist standards one accepts for reasons other than their own likes/dislikes/beliefs/etc is an old, false tale that continues to rankle.
Roger Ebert, talking to David Weddle in his article from 2003 about the big, bad meanies who teach in academic film programs, corrupting the youth who just want to make and watch movies, trots out all the old lines:
“Film theory has nothing to do with film. Students presumably hope to find out something about film, and all they will find out is an occult and arcane language designed only for the purpose of excluding those who have not mastered it and giving academic rewards to those who have. No one with any literacy, taste or intelligence would want to teach these courses, so the bona fide definition of people teaching them are people who are incapable of teaching anything else.”
The presumption that informed thought only distances people from their likes and interests and leads to adopted opinions no sane person could actually think is quite far from reality and makes anew that age-old straw man that has been constructed for years.
Evelyn, your point is well-taken. However, this particluar issue, at least as I see it, has nothing to do with either scholarship or academia. These impulses are confined to a particular strand of criticism which posits itself as vaguely progressive or left-wing. It is auteurism, more or less, albeit of a certain stripe.
Siren, Manny’s collected film criticism is an illuminating read. It is a reminder that NEGATIVE SPACE was very much a book of its time, with an accent on the deflation of certain filmmakers who were then considered part of the mainstream and a celebration of people who worked on the margins. In NEGATIVE SPACE, THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES is classified as a “horse-drawn carriage load of liberal schmaltz.” His review at the time and his evocation of Frederic March’s performance in a fascinating 1962 piece offer a more nuanced perspective. But Manny’s tendency was always to work negatively, and move to specifics from there.
Kent–I very much agree with your earlier post, who cares re: lists, likes and their prevalence as critical practice.
Perhaps I misread Graig, and if so my apologies. But he did write that the acquisition of a level of scholarship or erudition is what disallows one from liking these films. Yes, there is a tongue planted firmly in cheek here but also, seemingly, a prick at a perceived truth. If I have taken this incorrectly, which is likely, my apologies (and I admit my antenna go up at the continued academic/critical divide, one that intrigues, baffles and dismays me. My own hobbyhorse). I perhaps may not be reading in the appropriate places, and I’m not asking you to name names, but I am a little fuzzy on this particular strand of criticism you mention.
Your counter that the change in thought comes from a certain mass acceptance and reaction to that does hold true for poorer critics. Anyone whose writing is based upon those motivations is certainly not worth the paper or server space on which they publish. I do think this leads to another related problem that seems all the more prevalent these days but damn if it doesn’t seem there are even more critics looking to stake a claim on a film, to establish their position early and often, and loudly, and this becomes a motivating factor in their criticism. I feel we are seeing even more often now the criticism that seems as concerned with being the voice on a film, or propping up one’s position of support rather than actually dealing with the work. Getting oneself out there as the one who gets it, or something, being more important than saying anything interesting about the movie. Not for nothing that some of the best criticism is not so punctual. Good writing takes time and isn’t about showing the world that you pimped that movie first.
Evelyn, I thought that Graig was being ironic there. I can only agree with you about critics staking claims on undiscovered territory, whether it’s an American B movie from the 40s or a novel position based on newly acquired inside information of one type or another. It turns criticism into promotion, which invariably becomes self-promotion. Or, as you might put it, self-pimping.
And I wholeheartedly agree with you about “non-punctual” criticism. These discussions bring Gil Perez to mind. Gil works to combine criticism with theory. And when he speaks, he never betrays that mad desire to be the first to think or say or feel this or that about that or this, and he thinks films through slowly, in a leisurely fashion. And he writes with great elegance, erudition, and intelligence.
“Perhaps I misread Graig, and if so my apologies. But he did write that the acquisition of a level of scholarship or erudition is what disallows one from liking these films. Yes, there is a tongue planted firmly in cheek here but also, seemingly, a prick at a perceived truth. If I have taken this incorrectly, which is likely, my apologies (and I admit my antenna go up at the continued academic/critical divide, one that intrigues, baffles and dismays me. My own hobbyhorse). I perhaps may not be reading in the appropriate places, and I’m not asking you to name names, but I am a little fuzzy on this particular strand of criticism you mention.”
Evelyn: I think Graig was answering to Asher’s post upthread, the one with people saying, literally, that “Brando never appeared in a great film”. (To which I would add: “and ‘The freshman’ is what, chopped liver?”)
Kent, I did remember that Farber reversed himself on BYOOL, although I couldn’t remember when or where. I admit it, I was indulging in the vice of picking the opinion that pleases me. It’s one way I keep my attitude serene during the holidays. 🙂
I do believe that Graig’s tongue was firmly in his cheek, but I still took his point. As I look back on 2010, I can point to all kinds of critical essays that gave me a great deal of pleasure, very many of them written by our gracious host. But I am past the point of being able to get much out of an arid perspective that relegates–to stick with the current example–Brando’s acting to some kind of incidental contribution. As someone who was reading about film long before she ever tried writing about it, I will offer one observation about the reading public: I think people dislike having their yearning for stars, for story and for beauty and yes, for entertainment mocked or dismissed. I know I do.
The problem with Glenn’s correspondents up top, of course, is that Glenn was doing no such thing. He was pointing out that the movies in question don’t fulfill any of those yearnings, and if people get angry about that, all you can do is hope they have turned on spellcheck.
Siren, Manny always reversed himself. So when I look back at his writing, it’s never a matter of “did he like that?” or “did he hate that?” In his piece on Hawks (which was actually co-authored by his wife Patricia), it’s not a matter of how “great” Hawks is but that he’s likened to a general moving little pins around on a map, and that his “pet area” was “gesture.” With BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES, it’s the idea that the film’s devotion to the truth of middle and working class American life is as powerful as Stroheim’s in GREED, and that Fredric March’s acting of the banker coming undone is so acute. Personally, I think the whole white elephant/termite thing has been overhyped and frozen into eternal categories, which is ridiculous and 100% contrary to Manny’s own thinking.
As for the question of acting, I marvel at the number of writers on film who do treat it as an “incidental contribution,” as you put it. Others treat it as some kind of stumbling block, or even an inconvenience.
Canby opens his review of the sequel, “The only remarkable thing about Francis Ford Coppola’s ‘The Godfather, Part II’ is the insistent manner in which it recalls how much better his original film was.” Vince was apparently operating under the false assumption that no sequel could be worthy of comparison to the original.
Michael, I don’t know what would lead you to such the conclusion that Canby was such a doctrinaire, systematic thinker. He was, in the end, a pretty good critic, and he simply felt that PART II was just a restatement of the first film on a bigger scale. I don’t agree with him, but I don’t think was operating under some kind of a priori false assumption.
While not a professional critic, I do get the occasional “Why do you take these movies so seriously” thing, and my response is generally “Because doing so pays rent. What’s your excuse?”