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Why "Solaris?"

By May 1, 2011No Comments

I don’t want to spend a lot of time kick­ing and scream­ing over Dan Kois’ May 1 New York Times Magazine “Riff” entitled “Reaching for Culture That Remains Stubbornly Above My Grasp,” as it’s just anoth­er rep­res­ent­a­tion, com­plete with ref­er­ences to “cul­tur­al veget­ables,” of the Cheerful Fake Middlebrow Philistinism That Refuses To Die, and noth­ing I can say will ever change said refus­al. Even though the piece does have some nov­elty value: it piles up its unex­amined cul­tur­al assump­tions in such a relaxed way that the net effect is like Stephen Metcalf on Xanax, and it also throws in a “Hey, there’s a TELEVISION SHOW I don’t ‘get’ either” con­fes­sion (a failed attempt to make the weirdly inver­ted snob­bery go down easi­er), and some love-me-love-my-kids bull­shit to boot. What the fug ever. What does give me pause is: Why is it that it seems lately whenev­er a self-styled film crit­ic wants to evoke bore­dom, he or she reaches for Tarkovsky’s Solaris? Were a bunch of these yoy­os trau­mat­ized by that Felicity epis­ode when they were in their teens? Cause hon­estly there’s some stuff in Stalker that could be con­sidered even more “bor­ing” than any­thing in Solaris. And hey, if you want honest-to-goodness, actu­al bon­afide art film doldrums, there are a few Angelopolous movies to which I can steer you. So why Solaris, which I recently showed to My Lovely Wife, het­eto­fore a Tarkovsky vir­gin (I know, I know; she’d nev­er seen a Tarkovsky movie and I actu­ally mar­ried her, what kind of self-respecting film snob am I any­way?), and which went down quite well with her; in fact she found it as mov­ing and as dis­turb­ing as I’d ima­gine Tarkovsky wanted it to be. Now it so hap­pens that My Lovely Wife, while incred­ibly bril­liant (I can just hear her say­ing “Pshaw!” to that, but don’t listen to her, she really is) would be the first to allow that her taste skews some­what more to the main­stream than my own. And I real­ize that some might turn an accus­ing fin­ger at me and say I’m indul­ging in love-me-love-my-wife bull­shit (our uni­on has yet to be blest with issue, so at least be glad you’ll be spared the kid stuff for the fore­see­able future), but hell, I’m mak­ing a point with what I have at hand, the point being that Solaris is only really dif­fi­cult and inac­cess­ible if you actu­ally want it to be.

And the reas­on guys like Kois like to pick on it is the same reas­on Kois’ mas­ter and mod­el Metcalf was com­pelled to pick on The Searchers a few years ago: because it’s revered, and because the New Mandarins like noth­ing bet­ter than to give what they con­sider a good kick in the shins to the revered and—mostly—to the people doing the rever­ing. My wife and tens of thou­sands of oth­er may have thor­oughly and genu­inely enjoyed and been moved by Solaris, but they’re not gonna get the chance to write two pages in the Times magazine about it; now, that space is this week reserved for Dan Kois and his resent­ment. We have truly entered the age Lester Bangs pre­dicted in 1977, an age when “along with our nur­tured indif­fer­ence to each oth­er will be an even more con­temp­tu­ous indif­fer­ence to each oth­ers’ objects of rev­er­ence […] who­ever […] seemed to speak for your own private, entirely cir­cum­scribed situ­ation’s many pains and few ecstas­ies.” How nice to be reminded of this on a beau­ti­ful Sunday morn­ing. Thanks, Dan, and thanks, The New York Times Magazine! 

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  • Kiss Me, Son of God says:

    For what it’s worth, I don’t think Kois was “pick­ing on” Solaris etc. so much as pick­ing on him­self for not get­ting it (before, gran­ted, com­ing to the con­clu­sion that he’s Happy The Way He Is). My only real prob­lem with this piece, which I admit to some­what identi­fy­ing with (though I would nev­er use the term “cul­tur­al veget­ables” or equate slow films with bore­dom), is that it’s in the NYT magazine instead of, you know, a blog. Because there’s no reas­on why a wide, ran­dom read­er­ship needs to be aware of Dan Kois’ insec­ur­ity regard­ing art films.
    The main prob­lem may be less the sub­ject than the fact that Kois is not a very good writer; I can cer­tainly ima­gine A.O. Scott, for one, tak­ing this same sub­ject and fash­ion­ing a thought­ful, insight­ful piece out of it. I mean, we all DO have those “blind spots,” or whatever your pre­ferred ter­min­o­logy may be, of cul­tur­al objects that we want to exper­i­ence ful­somely and simply can­’t find our way into. Or at least I have plenty of them. But if asked to con­trib­ute a piece to the NYT Magazine I would prob­ably write about… some­thing else.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    @ KMSOG: Picking on him­self? Maybe, maybe not. In break­up scen­ari­os, how often do you think the per­son say­ing “It’s not you, it’s me” really means it?

  • Kiss Me, Son of God says:

    Fair point Glenn, but the tone of the piece is so navel-gaze‑y that I can­’t really take it as an attack on any of the “veget­able” art Kois is for­sak­ing. He’s basic­ally work­ing out his own insec­ur­it­ies with the NYT as his ther­ap­ist’s couch. Not fun or enlight­en­ing stuff, to be sure, but I think its stance is defens­ive rather than offensive.

  • Tom says:

    I hope that piece is a resig­na­tion let­ter to the paper. If you can­’t find joy in the major works of the form you’re cri­tiquing, you are in the wrong pro­fes­sion; a major news­pa­per should not be har­bor­ing that writer in a film depart­ment. If your secret shame is that you want to keep up with art because oth­er people’s opin­ions make you feel inferi­or but, damn it, it is no fun to keep up with art, there are many jobs elsewhere.

  • The Siren says:

    1. What’s wrong with being self-styled?
    2. Oh ho, so you mar­ried someone who’s nev­er seen a Tarkovsky. I mar­ried someone who read David Thomson on John Ford and said “That’s the best ana­lys­is of John Ford I’ve ever read.” I WIN!
    Sort of. Unless I want to watch My Darling Clementine in peace.
    Love me, love my Ford-hating hus­band. Because he’s cute.

  • Eric Arima says:

    To the ques­tion “Why ‘Solaris?’ ” in addi­tion to being revered, do you think that it might also be that there is so much aca­dem­ic cri­ti­cism of the movie. For example, if people encounter the movie through the Lacanian vocab­u­lary of Zizek, then a view­er might asso­ci­ate not get­ting the movie with not get­ting Zizek. [This is more addressed to the title ques­tion more than Kois’ article.]

  • jbryant says:

    Weird that he seems to feel some sort of pride that he ulti­mately passed on watch­ing the first sea­son finale of TREME, a series he really liked.
    I agree with Kiss that the art­icle seems more appro­pri­ate for a blog entry. Who is this thing for? Cinephiles will sneer, phil­istines will chuckle at the hand-wringing. A few middlebrow types will be enjoy the val­id­a­tion, I guess.
    I just find the whole concept of the piece, well, bor­ing. Like every few years when a new gen­er­a­tion “grapples” with wheth­er CITIZEN KANE is really the best movie ever made. I know that KANE, like most movies, comes with bag­gage, but it takes a great writer to unpack it in a way that adds some­thing worth­while to the conversation.

  • Joel says:

    It does­n’t sound like he’s bored by movies where “noth­ing hap­pens.” It sounds like he’s bored by movies that primar­ily use long takes. The ones he likes, such as Yi Yi, may be long, but they’re also cut fairly fast, with sev­er­al over­lap­ping story lines. This is the only way I can explain how he finds The Son to be boring.
    On the oth­er hand, one should nev­er be ashamed of call­ing a movie “bor­ing,” as long as you think that you have a pretty good grasp on what the film was try­ing to do. I thought Regular Lovers was incred­ibly bor­ing, but I think that I have a good sense of why it needed to be four very slow hours of stoned Marxist stu­dents pon­ti­fic­at­ing about why their half-assed revolu­tion failed. Does any­one else want to admit that they found a uni­ver­sally loved art film boring?

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    @ jbry­ant: What was Larkin’s Law of Reissues? Everything worth­while gets reis­sued every five years? Well, in magazines, every crappy “think piece” idea gets recycled every three years. That’s one “death of print” reas­on no one talks about, because it would be to embar­rass­ing to admit the paucity of ima­gin­a­tion that led up to this state.
    @ joel: J. Hoberman has writ­ten of a “bore­dom that tran­scends bore­dom,” and it’s com­mon in a lot of con­tem­por­ary art, music even more so than film. I per­son­ally think that does­n’t apply so much to “Solaris.” And it’s true that one per­son’s tran­scend­ence CAN be anoth­er per­son’s snooze­fest. “Boredom” to me sig­ni­fies not so much a rest­ive state but an act­ive dis­con­nec­tion with some attend­ant irrit­a­tion. For some reas­on “Baise-moi” is a film that springs to mind when con­tem­plat­ing this state.
    Kois really shows his hand when he dribbles his enthu­si­asm for Steven Soderbergh’s films and then nudges the read­er­’s ribs with the par­en­thet­ic­al “Except for his remake of ‘Solaris,’ obvi­ously.” Ar ar ar. Said “remake” is half the length of the Tarkovsky pic­ture and was con­ceived not so much as a Tarkovsky rethink than as a differing-perspective adapt­a­tion of Lem’s nov­el. (As it hap­pens, Lem des­pised BOTH movies.) But nev­er let an accur­ate con­sid­er­a­tion get in the way of a lame joke; that’s the mod­ern film crit­ic’s motto!

  • lipranzer says:

    Glenn, I apo­lo­gize in advance for once again tak­ing note of the most arcane part of your well-written smack­down (equat­ing the joy his daugh­ter gets in watch­ing a series that chal­lenges her with the inad­equacy he feels in watch­ing Tarkovsky – among many things, that’s just illo­gic­al), but what “Felicity” epis­ode? Granted, it’s been a while since I watched the show (I’m one of those people who stopped watch­ing the reruns when I real­ized they changed the music), but I don’t remem­ber one that ref­er­enced SOLARIS.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    @ lipran­zer: The epis­ode would be “Cheating,” sea­son one, epis­ode six. The “Russian movie” referred to in the “Television Without Pity” sum­mary is, in fact “Solaris.” Oh, those wacky NYU stu­dents! Here’s the link:http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/felicity/cheating.php?page=7
    A bunch of my Première col­leagues and I were very “WTF?” about the whole thing BITD.

  • brian p says:

    yeah, i would­n’t take it too ser­i­ously. it’s just a man announ­cing him­self as a vul­gari­an baboon fum­bling as he comes to grips with his own inab­il­ity to com­pre­hend things bey­ond his means. first off he claims that kelly reichardt’s last 3 movies are ‘por­trayed in seem­ing real time’. (um, no they’re not. rope is por­trayed in seem­ing real time. old joy is set across sev­er­al days). then he takes down Tulpan and The Son both of which – even should one find them demand­ing – are empir­ic­ally fuck­ing incred­ible and any­one who cares to announce them­selves as a ‘film crit­ic’ would not dis­miss out of hand. i could under­stand if the piece was geared more around tarkovsky-ites or tarr-ites who wear their impres­sion of each moment of each film as hipster-street cred but to lit­er­ally cite a view­ing in col­lege of a laser-disc at the lib­rary as evid­ence of how bor­ing sol­ar­is is seems to con­firm the lim­it­a­tions of who the read­er is deal­ing with.

  • Jason M. says:

    Solaris” is bor­ing? Pshaw. With the pos­sible excep­tion of “Ivan’s Childhood,” it’s eas­ily Tarkovsky’s most access­ible film. Also, it’s got a full-on nar­rat­ive and everything, and clocks in at under 3 hours. In art-cinema world, that’s noth­ing. Try any num­ber of avant-garde films (Snow’s “La Region Centrale” comes to mind here), one of Warhol’s longer films (like “Sleep” or “Empire”), or if you’re not feel­ing that brave, go with some­thing access­ible and punchy like “Jeanne Dielman” or “Satantango.” Or maybe “Colossal Youth” if you want a short­er film that deals with that new­fangled digit­al aesthetic.
    On a hope­fully less snarky note, Glenn, I think you’re really right when you write that the film is only dif­fi­cult or inac­cess­ible as you want it to be. It really irks me when people (espe­cially crit­ics) use the term ‘bor­ing’ as a (usu­ally dis­missive) neg­at­ive descriptor when talk­ing about a movie. ‘Boring’ has very little to do with the inher­ent qual­it­ies of the movie when you get down to it, and almost everything to do with the view­er­’s approach to the movie. It speaks to an unwill­ing­ness to engage with the work (usu­ally a knee­jerk reac­tion to either pacing or dur­a­tion), and then a desire to write this off as if it’s some­how the movie’s fault – “The film failed to engage me” – rather than the oth­er way around. It also usu­ally assumes that the chief pur­pose of a movie (or oth­er form of entertainment/art) is to amuse and divert you, the view­er, by use of smoke, mir­ror, bells & whistles, etc. In short, it’s sup­posed to be FUN, as if fun were the highest goal one could aspire to. (Not say­ing that there’s any­thing wrong with fun, mind you, only that the fun factor should­n’t neces­sar­ily be the be-all end-all cri­terion by which some­thing is judged).
    As an aside, there’s abso­lutely noth­ing wrong with find­ing a film bor­ing or inac­cess­ible; this hap­pens to every­one at times, with a wide vari­ety of films. And to an extent, I think it’s admir­able that Kois, in this art­icle, sees this as his own short­com­ing. But too fre­quently, the film itself ends up bear­ing the label; fur­ther­more, as also seen in Kois’ art­icle, it becomes an excuse for the crit­ic to not engage fur­ther with works that he or she finds chal­len­ging, which, through their writ­ing, encour­ages oth­er people to avoid or write off works which may smack of bore­dom or inac­cess­ib­il­ity. Which is a far worse thing.

  • Partisan says:

    Hey! I like Angelopoulos! LANDSCAPE IN THE MIST and THE WEEPING MEADOW are excel­lent. And if THE TRAVELLING PLAYERS was eas­ily avail­able on DVD so that I could see it again I would prob­ably find it excel­lent too.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    Note, Partisan, that I said “a few” Angelopoulos movies. I share your enthu­si­asm for “Landscape” and “Players” but have yet to see “Meadow.” “Eternity and a Day” and “The Dust of Time,” not so much.

  • Mike D says:

    Kois = Peter Griffin?

  • The really sad thing is, I sus­pect Solaris was singled out not so much for any­thing in the movie, as for the fact of its Russian-ness. As a long-time fan of many Russian nov­el­ists and film­makers, I dis­covered long ago that in the American ima­gin­a­tion, “Russian” is a syn­onym for “long, abstruse, heavy, bor­ing”. Which is how you get a fairly access­ible, argu­ably over­heated writer like Dostoyevsky being used as a syn­ec­doche for “abstract philo­soph­ic­al books”. Or how you account for the rel­at­ively main­stream suc­cess of “Love and Death”, a movie which is pretty funny for someone who knows the works Allen is par­ody­ing (though Allen, a con­gen­it­al name-dropper who rarely dis­plays much under­stand­ing of the ref­er­ences he makes, seems sorta con­fused about the dif­fer­ence between Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy), but which worked for the middlebrows that used to flock to Allen movies because for most of ’em, the words “Russian film” imme­di­ately con­jures up images of slow-blowing wheat fields in a way that “Greek film” or “Thai film” wouldn’t.

  • warren oates says:

    I haven’t read the piece in ques­tion, but I can testi­fy that SOLARIS was my second Tarkovsky after IVAN’S CHILDHOOD, back in my late teens, and I (wrongly) hated hated hated it the first time through. For a week or so I fool­ishly pro­claimed that not only was I through with Tarkovsky films, I was done with all oth­er art films too! Now, older and wiser, Tarkovsky is my favor­ite dir­ect­or, STALKER my favor­ite film and SOLARIS prob­ably the one I’ve seen the most times. I can now agree with Glenn that SOLARIS seems par­tic­u­larly watch­able and access­ible. But my youth­ful and inex­per­i­enced brain once found Tarkovsky’s SOLARIS as ali­en as the plan­et for which it is named.

  • Bill Sorochan says:

    I’m an indi­vidu­al who loves watch­ing movies but is eas­ily bored by, and does­n’t get, movies like Fast Five or Sucker Punch or Your Highness. I won­der what label Mr. Kois would best describe indi­vidu­als who share such a view?

  • Brian Dauth says:

    I think Glenn well defines bore­dom when he describes it as: “an act­ive dis­con­nec­tion with some attend­ant irrit­a­tion.” The sub­ject­ive nature of spec­tat­or­ship will render some works of art bey­ond fruit­ful aes­thet­ic engage­ment, and while I believe that a crit­ic should try and estab­lish engage­ment, some­times it can­not be accom­plished. In these cases, the idea should be to identi­fy the element(s) that pre­vents con­nec­tion, and then ana­lyze the work from that standpoint.
    This said, I must respect­fully dis­agree when Glenn writes that a film is “inac­cess­ible only if you want it to be.” While spec­tat­or­ship has a sig­ni­fic­ant ele­ment of voli­tion, there are films which are inac­cess­ible due to sub­ject­ive experiences/circumstances of a viewer’s life that are not amen­able to change.
    What I find most odd about Kois’ piece is this sen­tence: “They love the exper­i­ence of watch­ing movies that I find myself simply endur­ing in order to get to the good part — i.e., not the part where you’re watch­ing the real-time birth of a Kazakh lamb, but the rest of your life, when you have watched it and you get to talk about it and write about it and remem­ber it.” While I am a great admirer of the historical/cultural move away from the Romantic (occa­sion­ally Modernist) notion of the spec­tat­or as the empty ves­sel in thrall to the offer­ing of the artist/priest (and will also read­ily admit to enjoy­ing the sight of my own voice), this idea that the “good part” is the con­sequent time engaged in speaking/writing about the art work seems an instance of a pen­du­lum swung too far. At its best, sub­sequent speaking/writing should impel both speak­er and listen­er back to the art­work for fur­ther involve­ment, where a great rich­ness resides in enhanced aes­thet­ic engagement.

  • James Keepnews says:

    +1 on the whole “if you hate SOLARIS, you gone _love_ MIRROR” meme – indeed, out­side of IVAN, it’s as dir­ectly nar­rat­ive as a cinephile can hope from Andrei Andreevich. G‑d knows my mileage var­ies when it comes to intro­du­cing Tarkovsky to the unini­ti­ated (Glenn, I’m just shocked you and YLW haven’t watched ANY Tarkovsky until now) as most people “get it” as an immers­ive exper­i­ence with mul­tiple oblique emo­tion­al and philo­soph­ic­al res­on­ances – plus, you know, a five minute drive through a Modern Everycity, Mom wash­ing an arm with water poured from a pitch­er in a dream, &c.
    Long takes are going to be the bane of the Mobile Device Generation, already des­troy­ing most concert-going for me for those devices’ ubi­quity and the demon­strated inab­il­ity of their own­ers to turn the mother­fuck­ers to “silent” for 90 minutes. Sitting still and pay­ing undis­trac­ted atten­tion for even minutes at a time increas­ingly has vir­tu­ally no value what­so­ever for the twitchy, nanosecond-span cul­ture bequeathed by Web 2.0 and among many oth­er things, woe betide the cinema of Tarkovsky, Tarr, Akerman, 21st c. Romania, &c. accord­ingly. Regardless, and frankly, even as a fairly impa­tient aes­thete, I thor­oughly mis­trust any­one who com­plains about any work of art as being “bor­ing” – I only hear the com­plain­er­’s whiny inner brat cry­ing out to be spoon­fed. I mean, unless we’re talk­ing about THE MOTHER AND THE WHORE. Christ, that’s gotta be the most insuf­fer­ably bor­ing film ever… :}

  • Oliver_C says:

    Lots of ambi­tiously long takes in Richard Linklater’s ‘Slacker’, and more than a few men­tions of Tarkovsky in the (highly recom­men­ded) Criterion DVD’s extens­ive supplements.

  • Harry K. says:

    I under­stand and agree with the fact that this should­n’t have been a piece of print journ­al­ism, as many above have stated. Feel the but coming…
    BUT
    I want to put in a good word for bore­dom. And I hope I come across well enough in print not to turn to stone in the glare of pos­sible reproach. Boredom, if well expressed, can be a use­ful crit­ic­al tool. This is out­side of whatever par­tic­u­lar film by Tarkovsky or Tarr or whomever we are refer­ring to. They can be paced, through edit­ing, or a bad per­form­ance, or in a recent case for me, incred­ibly poor music choice, such that the film does not allow you entrance into the world that so many oth­ers enjoy. Boredom would be the expres­sion of that. Which sounds like a lec­ture I would have heard in middle school, sorry.
    No mat­ter how great the ideas, if the exe­cu­tion is off in a way that just peels your skin back to your nose, it’s going to kill the film.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    @ Harry K. : Well put. But, you know, what you’re talk­ing about is related to actu­al cri­ti­cism. Really grap­pling with the mater­i­al in an attempt to find a form by which to con­vey what the piece actu­ally is, and what it does, and wheth­er it does it well. And deal­ing with con­crete spe­cif­ics. Not say­ing “this movie has a five minute shot of noth­ing but cars driv­ing on a high­way and I don’t get it and it’s SLOW!” (What’s mira­cu­lous about Tarkovsky and Tarr at their best is that their com­bined effects with­in a single take or scene are so per­fectly calibrated.)

  • Solaris is only really dif­fi­cult and inac­cess­ible if you actu­ally want it to be.”
    I think this is simply wrong. One can say it’s not as dif­fi­cult and inac­cess­ible as oth­er Tarkovsky films. (Check.) One can say that its dif­fi­culties and access­ib­il­ity issues are worth over­com­ing. (Check.) But to say it’s not dif­fi­cult or inac­cess­ible? (Waiter … check.)
    How is it pos­sible to read “Sculpting in Time” and deny that Tarkovsky made movies for him­self and the like-minded and not for a mass audi­ence. He made movies delib­er­ately and obvi­ously about the Meaning of Life and Love and God and Existence (I can­’t find the exact quote quickly but I seem to remem­ber that he said he would be appalled if his movies were as pop­u­lar as Spielberg’s). He even expli­citly takes on the issue of his sup­posed inac­cess­ib­il­ity and nev­er denies it as a fact about his films.
    I believe it was Jim Hoberman (or it could’ve been Rosenbaum – neither man a phil­istine regard­less) who said Tarkovsky’s films demand to be seen twice or not at all. To estab­lish my bona fides, I did­n’t like a single one of Tarkovsky’s post-IVAN films on first view­ing, but came to treas­ure them all except MIRROR (which is simply too per­son­al for its own good) after mul­tiple view­ings. But it DOES gen­er­ally take that, GLW notwithstanding.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    Look, Victor, I know you’re not mean­ing to nit-pick, but ser­i­ously, I don’t choose my words without care. So when I say “if you actu­ally want it to be” there’s an implic­a­tion that could be taken as say­ing “if you’re will­ing to do the work.” Or some­thing. I’ve seen “Solaris” and “Stalker” about ten times each, and got­ten more out of them every time. Learning about their source mater­i­al, how they were made, and read­ing some of the crit­ic­al lit­er­at­ure on the work has abso­lutely enhanced my appre­ci­ation of them. But both films DID make an imme­di­ate impact on me first time out that was a real thing. You have your imme­di­ate and post-immediate exper­i­ence, I have mine. This whole argu­ment began because some dude wrote an art­icle for the New York Times Magazine that strongly sug­ges­ted that people who claimed to enjoy “Solaris” were lying in order to lord it over people. I think we can both agree that that isn’t the case, and that’s the assump­tion we should be dili­gently fighting.

  • some dude wrote an art­icle for the New York Times Magazine that strongly sug­ges­ted that people who claimed to enjoy ‘Solaris’ were lying in order to lord it over people.”
    Actually, that’s POLICE, ADJECTIVE.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    Good one, VM.

  • I.B. says:

    The name ‘Tarkovsky’ sounds heavy, or some­thing. Try to make fun of how “bor­ing” Bresson or Godard or Sokurov or Tarr are and it does­n’t just sound the same. ‘Antonioni’ used to do the trick (you could con­trive to poorly rhyme it with ‘arty’ and add the punch­line “and the guy’s name is Michelangelo!”), but it lacks the Russian over­tones of abstruse, deep mean­ing­ful shit. And I guess Apichatpong Weerasethakul can be grate­ful guys like Kois can­’t even begin to pro­nounce his name.
    The reas­on ‘Solaris’ is the Tarkovsky film that con­tinu­ously gets under fire is because it’s his best known one, just that. Which I’ve always found a bit baff­ling, it being my least favour­ite of his films (and The Man thought like­wise), but that’s anoth­er matter.
    Still, it’s refresh­ing to find the old “these people say they like things NOBODY could pos­sibly like to achieve world dom­in­a­tion, or pussy, or… well, I don’t know, but I know the bas­tards! You big FAKERS! I’m not dumb!” con­spir­acy going.

  • Dan Coyle says:

    All I can say is: I agree, Glenn. I agree.

  • warren oates says:

    I heart­ily agree with Glenn about screen­ing Tarkovsky films repeatedly and get­ting more out of each view­ing. For a long time I had a prob­lem with STALKER because see­ing it for the first time was the single most incred­ible view­ing exper­i­ence of my young life and I was afraid that it would­n’t be as good if I saw it again. Happily, I’ve been wrong about that too on mul­tiple occa­sions since.

  • Partisan says:

    I like ETERNITY AND A DAY, one of my favor­ite movies of 1998, which is admitedly not one of my favor­ite years. But Stuart Klawans in his oth­er­wise favor­able Nation review did sug­gest that Angelopoulos can be a little hard to take. And it is true that Tarkovsky does take some get­ting used to. I recall Andrew O’Hehir com­ment­ing that when he first saw ANDREI RUBLEV he thought he was so bored he was going to die, while Jonathan Rosenbaum once said that he found THE MIRROR “almost com­pletely opaque.” And these are two of my favor­ite films.
    How would one go about actu­ally see­ing LA REGION CENTRALE?

  • Daniel says:

    @Partisan – whatever you do, wait for a chance to see it on a big screen. I’m well aware what can be found on the inter­net these days, but LA REGION CENTRALE is not to be entered into lightly, or with­in reach of a couch. In keep­ing with the thread, I would­n’t sug­gest that the film is bor­ing, per se. But, like a lot of exper­i­ment­al work, it is very inter­ested in totally upend­ing and chal­len­ging one’s per­cep­tions, includ­ing stand­ard movie view­ing habits (plot, nar­rat­ive, etc). Much like Out 1, it’s a film that has conquered a friend or two.

  • colinr says:

    Of course the next big thing for Tarkovsky’s Solaris is the Criterion Blu-Ray reis­sue with the ori­gin­al blue tint­ing restored in what were the black and white sequences of the earli­er DVD issue.
    Solaris is cer­tainly the dir­ect­or’s most access­ible film – for all of its will­ful frus­tra­tion of audi­ence’s desires (includ­ing one shot that seems to pay homage to Warhol’s Sleep) it is still a sci-fi film, and one which often gets (albeit tenu­ously) com­pared to 2001. Even Ivan’s Childhood does’t res­on­ate quite as strongly.
    Stalker is a more dif­fi­cult pro­pos­i­tion but even that has recently ‘inspired’ a series of three fiendishly dif­fi­cult FPS/adventure games for the PC.
    Re: the com­ment about Linklater and shots ref­er­en­cing Tarkovsky – his first film included on the Criterion DVD of Slacker is even ‘slower’ and fea­tures an exten­ded scene in a movie theatre where the lead char­ac­ter (Linklater him­self) watches a sequence from Dreyer’s Gertrud.

  • Griff says:

    I thank you, Glenn, for your thought­ful words on Kois’ art­icle, which has annoyed me almost as much Bruce Weber’s still unfor­giv­able hatchet job on Fellini that appeared in the Times the week after the dir­ect­or’s passing in 1993.

  • Zach says:

    +1 on the admir­a­tion for Tarkovsky AND Angelopolous, and phil­istines be damned. The Weeping Meadow is one to catch, Glenn – the first of Theo’s movies I’d seen, it also rocked me the hard­est. And yes, there are long stretches that could eas­ily be described as “bor­ing” by any­one who was­n’t inter­ested in doing the leg­work, as it were.
    I’ve got to quibble with VM’s point about Tarkovsky. One of the many things I took away from Sculpting in Time was that Tarkovsky did indeed desire a wide audi­ence (most espe­cially in Russia, where low attend­ance was often due more to cen­sor­ship than lack of interest.) He under­stood that his films were dif­fer­ent than main­stream enter­tain­ment, and that they could be regarded by many as “dif­fi­cult,” but there is a palp­able sense that he hoped pop­u­lar taste & con­sious­ness would catch up with his work. I recall him claim­ing that some of the best encour­age­ment he received as a dir­ect­or was read­ing let­ters from work­ing Russian people who would remark on how deeply they were moved by a film as abstruse as Mirror. His films were per­son­al indeed, but he remains a glow­ing test­a­ment to the power of the per­son­al to access the universal.

  • Kent Jones says:

    Partisan, you abso­lutely need to see LA REGION CENTRALE on a big screen. That goes for the rest of Snow too.
    The per­sist­ent link­age between Tarkovsky and Angelopoulos is under­stand­able and kind of mis­lead­ing too – two very dif­fer­ent film­makers. Beyond that, I don’t under­stand the point of try­ing to decide once and for all how much or how little Tarkovsky thought about audi­ences, or what that has to do with how many times one sees his films. I’ve nev­er met a film­maker who makes movies for him or her­self, and whenev­er they speak that way it’s a purely rhetorical/polemical ges­ture. And with any good film, one view­ing is nev­er enough – in a way, the same goes for mediocre and poor films, if you’re inter­ested in really under­stand­ing them as opposed to stamp­ing them with seals of approv­al or rejec­tion. As for the alleged opa­city of MIRROR, I think it’s ridicu­lous. I’m more moved by it every time I see it.

  • Tudor says:

    Can I rock the boat a little by say­ing how bril­liant the Stephen Soderbergh remake was? Yeah, so sue me… It was on a hid­ing to noth­ing tho, no mat­ter how great the cast, script, dir­ec­tion, soundtrack, sfx… it was still “that” Tarkovsky movie.
    Hmmm…Maybe they should ask Michael Bay to do anoth­er remake so audi­ences can finally “get it”?

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    @ Tudor: No boat-rocking taken. I am also a big fan of Steven’s film. For vari­ous reas­ons it’s not really appro­pri­ate for me to write on his work at any length but I will say one thing I see in it that I like is a sort of agnost­ic per­spect­ive on the same themes that Tarkovsky treated from the per­spect­ive of a believ­er, or someone who wanted to be a believ­er. Steven’s pic­ture is also a first-rate sci-fi thrill­er; that’s an aspect of it a lot of the grap­plers ignore. Also, I don’t think it’s talk­ing too much out of school to say that Mr. Soderbergh in no way regards Tarkovsky’s film as a “cul­tur­al vegetable.”

  • An agnost­ic per­spect­ive on a reli­gious film is exactly the right descrip­tion of Soderbergh’s Solaris (it’s almost as though you were a pro at this!). Soderbergh’s film is lovely, par­tic­u­larly thanks to Soderbergh’s weirdly magic­al abil­ity to get lifetime-best per­form­ances out of every­one who appears in his movie. And it’s inter­est­ing to see a Tarkovsky film remade by a hugely tal­en­ted artist with nearly the oppos­ite of Tarkovsky’s sens­ib­il­ity: very little interest in the nat­ur­al and sen­su­al worlds, but great interest in human interactions.

  • Dan Coyle says:

    Solaris deserves cred­it for being the first Jeremy Davies film that did­n’t end with me nurs­ing a desire to murder Jeremy Davies.

  • Partisan says:

    Is it even pos­sible to see LA REGION CENTRALE if you don’t live in New York City?

  • Jeffrey Higgins says:

    @Partisan: I once saw it in Chicago…