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By December 2, 2011January 12th, 202611 Comments

1) At Time, Mary Pols writes on a Twitter phe­nom worth writ­ing about, the cam­paign to bring Kenneth Lonergan’s excel­lent Margaret (which I my own self wrote about here) to the atten­tion of more of the folks who ought to see it, who of course include you, maybe, but also include…well, read the piece. And also, if you like, sign the peti­tion. And check out the blog of the fella who star­ted all the ruck­us, my friend Jaime Christley. That should keep you busy for a bit.

2) At The Huffington Post, my friend Kathy Chang-Lipsenthal writes about her hus­band, my friend Lee Lipsenthal, and his won­der­ful book Enjoy Every Sandwich

11 Comments

  • I.V. says:

    Seems the whole #TeamMargaret thing is work­ing, at least here in Chicago. I just received an e‑mail from the Fox Searchlight pub­li­cist (pretty unusu­al for a Friday even­ing) announ­cing an “awards con­sid­er­a­tion” screen­ing of the movie next week.
    I missed the film dur­ing its one-week Chicago run, so I’m look­ing for­ward to finally see­ing it.

  • Oliver_C says:

    Too bad they could­n’t get Lonergan to dir­ect the Oscars tele­cast. That’s anoth­er pro­duc­tion which can­’t run a femto-second under three hours for fear of sul­ly­ing its self-importance.

  • Lex says:

    I’m all for the MARGARET peti­tion deal, but not being “one of you guys,” it’s vaguely dis­ap­point­ing that its aim seems to be to get more crit­ics’ screen­ings and awards screen­ers of it out there. Sounds like awards blog­gers, crit­ics and jun­ket guys want­ing some private screen­ings, but not much in the way of get­ting it released or re-released for the dirty unwashed.
    In LA it played for a mere two weeks, both on the oth­er side of town for me (and my car that over­heats in 405 traffic)… I wish it would come back, but as I’m not on the DGA SCREENING CIRCUIT with power­house minds like Faraci, a bunch of jerkoff crit­ics’ group screen­ings don’t do me a whole lotta good either.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    @Lex: I hear you, and frankly, I have sim­il­ar mis­giv­ings, as I don’t per­son­ally care at all about what gets any awards or does­n’t. Every now and then I put in an applic­a­tion to get into some body like the New York Film Critics’ Circle, for appear­ance’s sake. This was a good year to get turned down, I think. But I believe the logic to the way the peti­tion’s phrased is: the more crit­ics see “Margaret,” the more year-end awards recog­ni­tion it will receive, the more Fox Searchlight will con­sider bring­ing it back, and the more non-critic people will see it. It’s a noble aim, although now that I have writ­ten all this I’m think­ing are some people hop­ing to re-enact the “Bonnie And Clyde” reviv­al myth via social media?
    And as much as I myself admire “Margaret” I DON’T think that fur­ther expos­ure is neces­sar­ily going to lead to uni­ver­sal acclaim, or a road-to-Damascus moment for crit­ics who were “meh” on it. I see a crit­ic on Twitter try­ing to pin luke­warm U.S. response to “Margaret” on con­firm­a­tion bias, and I think, unless you can actu­ally prove it, it’s really poor policy to ascribe bad faith, or specifically-clouded think­ing, to people who don’t share your opin­ion of a film. But that’s fuck­ing show biz, I guess.

  • jbryant says:

    Yeah, I think a peti­tion for more crit­ics’ screen­ings and awards screen­ers is much like­li­er to get res­ults than one call­ing for a wider the­at­ric­al re-release. If the former suc­ceeds and leads to more pos­it­ive reviews and awards atten­tion, then at least the film’s ancil­lary life could get a boost. I don’t think it was ever destined to be top box office draw.

  • Jaime says:

    Glenn, thanks for the men­tion there. Honestly I don’t think any­body who got involved with this and promp­ted me to start the peti­tion (which I have to stress took about 3 minutes of my day, tops) figured we were going to cre­ate a sea change or land a bunch of trophies for the film. If I know crit­ics, and voters, lots of die are already cast, even if bal­lots aren’t filled out. So it’s not about that.
    There are two goals, as I see it: (1) to get the film shown to non-NY/LA crit­ics, and (2) make the film a “thing” for a reas­on­ably wider swath of cinephiles than were ini­tially taken by it. We suc­ceeded a little in (1), as FSL set up screen­ings in Chicago and Boston, and there may be a few oth­ers in line. Maybe they won’t show it in Kalamazoo or Raccoon City or what have you, but not bad. For (2) we did well, too, and the fact that the film got ter­rif­ic notices in the UK did­n’t hurt none, neither.
    I’m happy to take the long view, too … I think I speak for the #team­mar­garet folks when I say we simply did­n’t want to dis­ap­pear, and that’s kind of the road it was on.

  • Zach says:

    Yeah, I was­n’t able to catch Margaret dur­ing the fif­teen minutes it ran, and I’m a frig­gin’ NYer. I’m also hop­ing it comes back, as I’d like to see it on the big screen. If more screen­ings for crit­ics are what it takes to make that pos­sible, then go for it, I say.
    Also, on a side note, it’s nice to see Oliver C’s ongo­ing quest to right the dire offense com­mit­ted by Lonergan against the Gods of running-time con­tracts has­n’t let up one bit.

  • md'a says:

    My remark about con­firm­a­tion bias isn’t broadly applic­able to any film I like that oth­ers don’t (or vice versa), though I’m as human as any­one else and just as prone to you-just-don’t-get-it-do-you?-ism. Margaret was per­haps the worst pos­sible movie to wind up the sub­ject of news stor­ies about years spent in the edit­ing room, giv­en its very delib­er­ate ungain­li­ness. Having read the script, I can tell you that apart from sev­er­al entire scenes that went miss­ing, what’s onscreen is pre­cisely what Lonergan wrote, and always inten­ded; whatever happened in post all those years, it was­n’t a case of him try­ing to “find the movie” in a sea of inco­her­ent foot­age. (I’m pretty sure he was just strug­gling to get it under 150 minutes without crip­pling it—a nearly impossible task.) But that was the nat­ur­al con­clu­sion for people to jump to, and I read sev­er­al reviews that used more or less that exact phrase as they con­cluded that Lonergan nev­er did fig­ure out what the hell he was try­ing to say.
    The like­li­hood of crit­ics walk­ing into a movie they know was wrestled with by mul­tiple edit­ors over six years and then emer­ging say­ing “Ah, I see, it’s sprawl­ing and unfocused and all over the place *by design*” (for bet­ter or worse—I’d be fine with worse, though I’d of course dis­agree) was decidedly slim. They expec­ted a mess and they got one, so case closed: Clearly Lonergan meant to make some­thing neat and tidy like You Can Count on Me and failed. Most of the reviews devote as much space to the pro­duc­tion his­tory as to the film itself. It’s just unfor­tu­nate. Not that I think we’d have seen across-the-board raves had it come out in ’06, but I do think *some* crit­ics would have been less apt to draw hasty and essen­tially dis­missive con­clu­sions. That’s all.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    Thanks, md’a. I do not, incid­ent­ally, con­sider your sur­mise even vaguely improb­able or for that mat­ter wrong; my “issue” was that such sur­mises, made in a blanket fash­ion, could have a poisoning-the-well effect. And yes, I under­stand how abso­lutely unac­cept­ably sanc­ti­mo­ni­ous such con­cern trolling looks com­ing from one such as myself, or just myself, peri­od. Maybe I should­n’t of even brought it up. Good thing the case of “Margaret” would seem to be, for all intents and pur­poses, unique…

  • Oliver_C says:

    Lonergan him­self has voiced his approv­al (how­ever reluct­antly or belatedly) of the contractually-mandated, 150-minute the­at­ric­al release. Too bad it took him a five-year, Ciminoesque, liti­gi­ous, career-derailing, Pollack-infuriating (and Pollack-outliving) bend­er of pre­ten­tious­ness to reach this pre­agreed edit.

  • Bilge says:

    The oth­er thing about MARGARET is that a lot of the first wave of pub­lished reviews that came out about it were pretty mixed, and many of the folks who took up the cause of the film (well before the whole #team­mar­garet thing) had to see it in its the­at­ric­al run and did­n’t get to write high-profile reviews of it. (To this day, for example, I don’t think our pal Vadim Rizov has reviewed it, because it was nev­er his assign­ment – and yet it was his exhorta­tion on Twitter that made me go see it.) As much as I wanted the Twitter campaign/petition to inspire Fox to set up new press screen­ings and/or make screen­ers avail­able, I was also just hop­ing it would let them know that there’s a siz­able con­tin­gent of critics/writers/bloggers out there who dearly, dearly LOVE this film. Luckily, it appears to have suc­ceeded on both counts.
    And as far as oth­er crit­ics tak­ing anoth­er look and chan­ging their minds, maybe not, but it’s worth not­ing that some of those afore­men­tioned mixed reviews were mixed not in a “meh” kind of way but more in a “wow, some of this movie is stag­ger­ingly great, shame about the oth­er parts and/or the messy edit­ing or whatever” kind of way. And that sug­gests to me that these are writers who prob­ably would be open to revis­it­ing the film at some point, since they clearly loved sig­ni­fic­ant chunks of it. I’m prob­ably wrong about that, but a guy can dream.