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How David Mamet gets away with it

By January 31, 2013No Comments

Last week in Newsweek, or some online entity bear­ing the Newsweek logo, David Mamet pub­lished an essay about gun laws that I did­n’t pay much atten­tion to, largely because at first glance it was suf­fi­ciently boil­er­plate in a not even Peak Wingnut fashion—you know, “Karl Marx, blah blah blah, Founding Fathers blah blah blah, no you’re wrong if you think that’s what the police are for blah blah blah”—that it would appear to lack the requis­ite neg­at­ive enter­tain­ment value I look for in such items. The column did excite the dis­ap­prob­a­tion of many of my fel­lows on The Left, and with good reas­on, and I was actu­ally stim­u­lated by some­thing that Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote on his blog at The Atlantic, where he also linked to a sim­il­ar mus­ing by the great Scott Lemieux at the Lawyers, Guns & Money blog, wherein both men point out that Mamet’s asser­tion that the “Founding Fathers” were “not even politi­cians” is, not to put too fine a point on it, utter bull­shit. Coates goes on to wax not inap­pro­pri­ately indig­nantly about how he finds “the pro­cesss that pro­duces this sort of work to be utterly amor­al.” That’s one way of put­ting it. I not only have a win­dow into this pro­cess, I was party to it back in my print days. One example, of a decidedly dif­fer­ent scale than what Coates is talk­ing about, but illu­min­at­ing non­eth­less, involved Mr. Mamet himself. 

I don’t remem­ber exactly when it was, but I seem to recol­lect the early part of the cur­rent cen­tury. One of my col­leagues at Première, the guy in charge of the front-of-the-book sec­tion “Action,” which was where we put the bitsy stuff, had heard from Mamet’s agent—with guys like Mamet it’s always the agent you hear from—who told him that Mamet had been exper­i­ment­ing with car­toon­ing, and won­der­ing if our magazine would be inter­ested in run­ning a monthly one-panel car­toon by David Mamet. We would pay for it, of course, and pay pretty heftily, because he was David Mamet. As I recall the fee would be some­thing like the one a writer would get for a five-hundred word piece if he or she were to be paid a dol­lar a word. 

Mamet’s draw­ing style, if it could be referred to as a style, made James Thurber look like Gustave Dore. The jokes anim­at­ing the car­toons were mixed. I hon­estly can­’t recol­lect any; I have a vague pic­ture of a fake movie poster advert­ising a block­buster pic­ture about a giant octopus, and there was at least one lam­poon­ing movie exec­ut­ives, no duh, but that’s about all I can con­jure. (I did go through my lim­ited col­lec­tion of Première back issues look­ing for an example but came up with zilch. I did find the issue con­tain­ing my pan of The Good German, though, I bet­ter get rid of that…) The point is the car­toons were largely not great, and when they were worse than not great they were embarass­ing. One thing I do recall, very clearly, and I think it’s some­thing that really summed up Mamet’s con­tempt for the enter­prise and con­tempt for us—contempt that, now that I think about it, we had, in a sense, wholly earned for indul­ging him this way—was that he sub­mit­ted his “draw­ings” on lined note­book paper. He knew enough about magazine mech­an­ic­als to know these lines would be erased pho­to­graph­ic­ally. But the idea that he could­n’t even be bothered to invest a little of the money were were pay­ing him to, you know, get some fuck­ing draw­ing paper (which he then could have writ­ten off as a busi­ness expense, as I’m sure he must have known) speaks volumes. Fortunately he had a con­tract. I say for­tu­nately because it was a short term con­tract, and it soon expired, and we did not pur­sue its renew­al, and Mamet’s agent under­stood our not pur­su­ing its renew­al to mean that Mamet had tired of the enter­prise him­self and was busy with oth­er things and so would not be able to con­tin­ue. In oth­er words, his con­tempt for us was such that he wanted us to under­stand that not con­tinu­ing this exer­cise in mor­ti­fic­a­tion was HIS idea. This was the per­son­al cherry on the top of his short con, and I have to give it to him: this short con was a nice one. 

It was not too long after this mis­ad­ven­ture ended that Mamet and his friend and col­lab­or­at­or Ricky Jay appeared at New York’s Town Hall for a staged chat entitled “Two Hussies.” It would essen­tially be Mamet and Jay dis­cuss­ing “the state of the per­form­ing arts.” I went with some pals, among them at least one suc­cess­ful writer who idol­ized the author of Glengary Glen Ross and oth­er the­at­ric­al pieces. And while Ricky Jay was his usu­al droll self on that stage, the author of Glengarry Glen Ross oozed such oily pom­pous self-satisfaction that we walked out en masse after less than forty minutes. I hasten to add that this was well before Mamet’s much-bruited con­ser­vat­ive con­ver­sion that’s sup­posed to be the reas­on I don’t like him. (October 2001, this was.)

Anyway, Coates nails it when he says “You can­not change the fact that Thomas Jefferson served in the Virginia House of Burgesses because it’s unfor­tu­nate for your argu­ment. Unless you have a name like David Mamet. Assuming that Mamet’s Newsweek piece had an edit­or (and it’s entirely pos­sible and plaus­ible that Tina Brown just pushed it into digit­al print after only allow­ing some copy per­son or oth­er to give it a per­func­tory proof­ing), that edit­or would likely have had no con­tact with Mamet him­self. When you’re deal­ing with a name like David Mamet, you sub­mit your pro­posed changes through a third party, and that third party, usu­ally an agent, gets back to you, and fairly often says “no” to your pro­posed changes, or some­times not. (A couple of months ago I ran into Martin Amis in a magazine store in my neigh­bor­hood and because I’m such a schmuck I semi-sheepishly intro­duced myself and said to him “We worked with each oth­er once. Via fax.”) But again. I’m sure that the rel­ev­ant people involved, the people with the power, merely said, if the idea even occured to them at all, “Fact-check David Mamet? Well, did you evah?” or some such thing.

Of course, fact-checkers them­selves are like cops. There are good ones and there are bad ones.  An asso­ci­ate of mine who works for a prom­in­ent per­son has recently had cause to be in cor­res­pond­ence with sev­er­al fact-checkers, and they have been inund­at­ing my asso­ci­ate with ques­tions such as “can you con­firm wheth­er X was a ‘con­sult­ant’ on the pro­ject or a ‘spe­cial advisor’?” and for all sorts of oth­er bits of data that could actu­ally be gleaned via con­sulta­tion of reli­able and eas­ily avail­able out­side doc­u­mant­a­tion. But just as Première’s pub­lic­a­tion of “The Mamet Version” (for this is what his car­toon fea­ture was called) was a func­tion of our own star-fucking tendencies—which we ration­al­ized by telling ourselves that were wer­en’t just indul­ging Mamet on account of his name but because of the great, icon­ic work he had pro­duced, that we were count­ing on his tal­ent—so too do fact-checkers (the bad ones) go places where they’re not needed, or wanted, simply because it puts them in closer prox­im­ity to the fam­ous sub­jects of the art­icles they’re work­ing on.

For example: At Première there was one fact-checker I con­sidered a par­tic­u­lar annoy­ance, because he did things like call Woody Allen’s actu­al pro­duc­tion office to veri­fy the num­ber of Oscars Annie Hall had won. Also, when we had occa­sion to make a ref­er­ence to the act­or Ron Perlman, he called the offices of Revlon to veri­fy the spelling of the name. (This will be more fun for you to fig­ure out your­self if you don’t get it already. Trust me.) It is per­haps no acci­dent that the fact-checker in ques­tion was (and, I sup­pose, remains) the son of a rel­at­ively well-known, and not par­tic­u­larly well-liked, polit­ic­al pun­dit. As they say, that’s show biz.

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  • Tony Dayoub says:

    I did find the issue con­tain­ing my pan of THE GOOD GERMAN, though, I bet­ter get rid of that…”
    LULZ for so many reasons.

  • evelyn garver says:

    This was delight­ful! Thanks so much. The oppor­tun­ity afforded Mamet based on his celebrity reminds me of Bill O’Reilly’s best­seller [God help us] on the Lincoln assas­sin­a­tion. Next up, Lena Dunham’s treat­ise on the Middle East.

  • I kinda sorta wor­ship Soderbergh as a god, and I was totally dis­ap­poin­ted in The Good German. So you’re not alone! bit.ly/14tGDAx
    Mamet, mean­while, remains a com­plete fuck­ing tool. Anyone who grew up around eld­erly Jews is all too famil­i­ar with his spittle-flecked incoherence.

  • Oliver_C says:

    Are there any Steadicam shots in ‘Sarah Palin: The Undefeated’? If so, the con­tra­dic­tion may make Mamet’s head explode, and would­n’t that be terrible!

  • lipranzer says:

    As much as I still love (or like a lot) many of the movies he dir­ec­ted and/or wrote, I have to say the bloom fell off of Mamet for me long before his polit­ic­al con­ver­sion, and it was with “On Directing”. Not only was that the first time he indulged in what most people who have com­men­ted here (if not all) seemed to agree was a tire­some crit­ic­al pos­i­tion (in order to elev­ate someone you like, den­ig­rate someone you don’t like even if the com­par­is­on between them is tenu­ous at best) in his screed against Method act­ing. Far be it for me to say there aren’t val­id cri­ti­cisms to be made of the Method, but often, it seemed he made the most spe­cious of them (com­par­ing it to flat roofs?). Not only that, but he has main­tained this pos­i­tion in sim­il­ar books and/or essays he’s writ­ten about movies and theat­er, con­veni­ently for­get­ting some of the best per­form­ances involving his screen­plays have come from act­ors iden­ti­fied with the Method; Paul Newman in THE VERDICT, Al Pacino and Alec Baldwin in GLENGARRY GLENN ROSS (is Ed Harris Method? He would seem to be, but I don’t know if he’s ever iden­ti­fied him­self as such), Robert De Niro and Dustin Hoffman in WAG THE DOG (and De Niro again in RONIN), and Baldwin again in STATE AND MAIN.
    Changing sub­jects; I too was dis­ap­poin­ted in THE GOOD GERMAN, and even a second view­ing did­n’t change my mind.

  • Joe Gillis says:

    David Mamet nev­er really had to “con­vert” to being a con­ser­vat­ive because he was nev­er really a lib­er­al to begin with–he prob­ably just thought he was a lib­er­al because he sup­por­ted civil rights back in the 60s and 70s. At this point in his life his polit­ic­al beliefs are worse than just wrong–they’ve also severely hindered his writ­ing pro­cess. His latest play on Broadway, The Anarchist, was a colossal fail­ure. He dir­ec­ted Patti LuPone and Debra Winger to basic­ally be cutouts for a polit­ic­al argu­ment he wanted to shove down the audi­ence’s throat. It’s a shame as well, because his early work for the theatre is stun­ning, and his screen­play for The Verdict one of the best ever writ­ten. But now he’s just become a right-wing stooge.

  • Jeff McMahon says:

    I just remembered that I abso­lutely HATED State & Main, thanks Lipranzer.

  • Pat Hobby says:

    This blo­g’s infatu­ation with dreary Red State/Blue State non­sense ruins it.

  • TrocJag says:

    This blo­g’s infatu­ation with dreary Red State/Blue State non­sense ruins it.”
    Has your only exper­i­ence with the blog been this post? I’d say it’s pretty rare that Glenn “gets polit­ic­al” and, when he does, he’s pretty graciously/refreshingly non­par­tis­an (ie he tends to think for him­self). Or maybe you’ve only read this post AND all of David Ehrensteins com­ments on the oth­er posts.

  • Graig says:

    @evelyn garv­er: Oh geez. Do we have to go and take a swipe at Lena Dunham? I mean, really. That’s just glib, and unfair, and bor­ing. She’s not David Mamet and she’s not Bill O’Reilly. Try harder.
    Nice piece, though, Glenn. I remem­ber those Mamet car­toons. There was one about a sequel to GANDHI that I remem­ber being mod­estly amus­ing in a New Yorkerish kinda way.

  • Joel Bocko says:

    As a lurk­er on this thread and simeone whi has­nt seen Tony Furniture or Girls, I was gonna let the last com­ment sit, but I just ran into the latest cov­er of Entertainment Weekly on a news­stand and it rankled. While Dunham her­self may or may not be to blame, she is repeatedly been held up as a spokes­per­son in the media, the so-called ‘voice of a gen­er­a­tion’ des­pite the fact that the life­style and sens­ib­il­ity rep­res­en­ted in her mater­i­al, by all accounts (favor­able and oth­er­wise), is no more than a tiny niche of young American exper­i­ence, and is in many ways quite dra­mat­ic­ally dif­fer­ent from what most young mil­len­ni­al a exper­i­ence. Again, maybe not her fault, but Evelyn’s com­ment strikes me as a fair tweak­ing of the hype machine’s pen­chant for assum­ing its own exper­i­ence is uni­ver­sal (or simply not caring that it isn’t).

  • Joel Bocko says:

    (Ugh, feel free to delete pre­vi­ous com­ment due to typos.)
    As a lurk­er on this thread and someone who has­nt seen Tiny Furniture or Girls, I was gonna let the last com­ment sit, but I just ran into the latest cov­er of Entertainment Weekly on a news­stand and it rankled. While Dunham her­self may or may not be to blame, she has repeatedly been held up as a spokes­per­son in the media, the so-called ‘voice of a gen­er­a­tion’ des­pite the fact that the life­style and sens­ib­il­ity on dis­play in her mater­i­al, by all accounts (favor­able and oth­er­wise) rep­res­ents no more than a small niche of young Americans. Again, maybe not her fault, but Evelyn’s com­ment strikes me as a fair tweak­ing of the hype machine’s pen­chant for assum­ing its own exper­i­ence is uni­ver­sal (or simply not caring that it isn’t).

  • jbryant says:

    I’d say it’s def­in­itely NOT Dunham’s fault. She makes a great show (and the very first epis­ode has her char­ac­ter say­ing “I think I may be the voice of my gen­er­a­tion,” then amend­ing it to “A voice of A gen­er­a­tion”). To me, the best thing about GIRLS it that it is very spe­cif­ic to its char­ac­ters and makes no spe­cial pleas about their exper­i­ences being rep­res­ent­at­ive of any oth­ers’. It’s a shame the fawn­ing press cov­er­age has turned off a siz­able num­ber of people who might oth­er­wise find much to like in the show.

  • Joel Bocko says:

    I got some bad vibes from some of the Tiny Furniture write-ups (many of them on this very blog, natch) but yeah, like I said, sight unseen I can­’t blame Dunham for the hype sur­round­ing her (or even rid­ing it for what it’s worth once it’s already there, that is as long as the show itself does­n’t har­bor the same self-importance). I have no prob­lem believ­ing the enter­tain­ment media is to blame.
    All in all it isn’t the alleged ‘self-absorbed, imma­ture upper class urb­an youth’ milieu that bugs me per se (after all, I love Lost in Translation, and that’s as guilty of elit­ist nar­ciss­ism as any­thing). Nor even the poten­tial pre­ten­tious­ness of try­ing to speak for a gen­er­a­tion – actu­ally I wish more young people har­bored such ‘pre­ten­sions’.
    Rather, it’s the con­fla­tion of the two. More often than not, I see my peers mar­ry­ing, hav­ing kids, work­ing hard, serving in the mil­it­ary, etc, in oth­er words assum­ing a lot of respons­ib­il­ity but against a far more unstable back­drop than oth­er recent gen­er­a­tions, includ­ing their par­ents’ (par­tic­u­larly when those par­ents are boomers). It frus­trates me that the self-enclosed, exclus­ive media world pre­sumes that its own exper­i­ence (and what it sees in its own chil­dren – aren’t all the mem­bers of the Girls cast daugh­ters of fam­ous fig­ures?) some­how epi­tom­izes broad­er experiences.
    Moreover, it isn’t just a gen­er­a­tion­al thing. In the era of Occupy and Obama, we are per­versely see­ing a sharp turn away from pop­u­lism in enter­tain­ment, at least as far as the exper­i­ences being con­veyed. This both­ers me.
    Again, if she’s as tal­en­ted and funny as her repu­ta­tion sug­gests, Dunham deserves her suc­cess (although plenty of oth­er people prob­ably do as well, who won’t get the same chances, just say­in’). But the media deserves to be called out for treat­ing her as some kind of mil­len­ni­al guru, just as much as it does for giv­ing Mamet a front cov­er for his dopey ‘Lemme tell ya about this Karl Marx fella’ schtick. And I think it fits in quite well with the whole ‘celebrit­ies shit gold’ men­tal­ity Glenn skew­ers in the piece.
    IMHO.

  • James says:

    I looked for David Mamet’s car­toons on the magic­al inter­net. The only one I liked was this one, but it did make me smile fairly broadly. http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/10/21/26/2168235/5/628x471.jpg

  • jbryant says:

    While it’s cer­tainly not impossible to mine com­edy from people mar­ry­ing, hav­ing kids, work­ing hard, serving in the mil­it­ary and oth­er­wise being respons­ible, it’s a few degrees more dif­fi­cult, and per­haps a tough­er sell to an audi­ence. So there’s that.
    Also, without know­ing all that much about it, I have assumed that Dunham made her own breaks in the enter­tain­ment biz. Her par­ents are suc­cess­ful in the arts, and they put her through col­lege, but that’s true of a lot of people who DON’T become noted writer/director/actor/producers in their early ’20s. She star­ted out mak­ing you­tube shorts, and made her name on the strength of an inex­pens­ive fea­ture. She has chosen her col­lab­or­at­ors well, but she has a dis­tinct­ive voice, which, like any­thing else, is not for every­one. But much of the cri­ti­cism that I see of her feels like envy. Hell, I’M envi­ous, but I think she makes great television.

  • Joel Bocko says:

    Well, like I said, I don’t want to focus too heav­ily in Dunham her­self, for 3 reas­ons: a) I haven’t watched her stuff, so I’m in no pos­i­tion to judge; b) from what I know/hear, she HASN’T pro­claimed her­self the voice of a gen­er­a­tion (except in half-joking/mocking form, prob­ably more after oth­er people did so first), so it’s unfair to hold her to task for the hype or even for rid­ing it as any sens­ible per­son try­ing to pro­mote their mater­i­al would; c) heck, I already KNOW I’m envi­ous as hell so I know any dir­ect, per­son­al cri­ti­cism if Dunham would be colored by that! (Side note: it seems harder than ever for young people to break into main­stream film­mak­ing recog­ni­tion; where are our Andersons, Tarantinos, Coens, Spielbergs, etc? Virtually every well-known dir­ect­or I can think of, out­side the neo-neorealist and mumble­core niches, is over 35, usu­ally well over 40.)
    No, I’d rather focus on the media hype because that’s the prob­lem. As for how she broke through, she may not have needed help to make her movie but how did it get seen? Praised? How many debuts leapfrog right into the Criterion Collection? I recall Glenn him­self mak­ing these points a few years back. It’s not to den­ig­rate her – again, as a Lost in Translation fan I can­’t begrudge film­makers using their con­nec­tions to get their vis­ion out there. But it cer­tainly does not make her or her path very typ­ic­al or encour­aging, and in con­junc­tion with her milieu makes ‘VoG’ pro­clam­a­tions seem way out of whack.
    Also dis­agree with the com­edy thing; back in the Depression you had a healthy mix of films set amongst the rich and fab­ulous, and set amongst the hard-working and hard­scrabble. Including, in the lat­ter cat­egory, any num­ber of com­ed­ies, music­als, and sup­posedly ‘escap­ist’ enter­tain­ments that non­ethe­less did a bet­ter job reflect­ing social real­ity than many of the sup­posedly ‘real­ist­ic’ pic­tures today.

  • jbryant says:

    I did­n’t say com­ed­ies about hard­work­ing folks did­n’t exist–just that they’re a little harder to pull off successfully.
    As for Dunham’s path, I was­n’t sure exactly what it was either, so I did a little Googling–it appears that she did a web series and some shorts while still in school, then made a short fea­ture called CREATIVE NONFICTION, also while still in school, shooting/editing it on week­ends while babysit­ting to make ends meet. She entered the rough cut into SXSW, did­n’t make it, sub­mit­ted a new cut the fol­low­ing year and got in. That film did­n’t find dis­tri­bu­tion. Her par­ents put up the money for TINY FURNITURE (est. budget $65,000), and Dunham hired friends and fam­ily to save money. It was shot on the Canon 7D. The fin­ished product got in SXSW and won the Narrative Feature Film award. It won some oth­er awards, too, and I assume that led to its lim­ited the­at­ric­al release. Don’t know how Criterion got involved. Of course, the crit­ic­al suc­cess of the film and media atten­tion for Dunham led dir­ectly to GIRLS.

  • rcocean says:

    Tennessee Coats’ argu­ment does­n’t hold water. Mamet isn’t “Lying” when he says the Founding Fathers wer­en’t politi­cians. The fact that someone at one point in their lives runs for office or holds office does­n’t nec­cessary make them a “politi­cian” – here’s the defin­i­tion of “politi­cian” per the on-line dictionary:
    One who seeks per­son­al or par­tis­an gain, often by schem­ing and man­euv­er­ing: “Mothers may still want their favor­ite sons to grow up to be President, but … they do not want them to become politi­cians in the pro­cess” (John F. Kennedy).
    Mamet always is dis­cuss­ing the Constitution and the Founding fath­ers. Jefferson was just one of them and was­n’t involved in draft­ing or passing it. Saying someone is lying about the “Founding Fathers” by point­ing to just Jefferson is in itself a LIE.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    Ha ha ha, RC Ocean, I see what you did, mak­ing a racist joke that you will deny being a racist joke.
    Anyway. It’s not just Jefferson. Adams, Madison, Burr, Hamilton: all politi­cians of some sort, and law­yers before that. Madison spe­cific­ally stud­ied law for the pur­pose of using it to shape pub­lic policy. Mamet, by implic­a­tion, wants to push the horse­shit notion that the founder were simple plant­ers who just wanted gov­ern­ment to leave them alone. No. They wanted to form a new gov­ern­ment, and to head it. They were politi­cians. Fucking politi­cians, even. But nice try.

  • Joel Bocko says:

    J, all in all I’m not sure I rad­ic­ally dis­agree with you on Dunham. The point about her path to suc­cess is tan­gen­tial (although it remains, con­sid­er­ing both the inim­it­able fund­ing source and sub­ject mat­ter, the lat­ter of which also hap­pens to be a big part of the film’s – and later the show’s – appeal to the media). My major point is that I think it’s legit to call the enter­tain­ment media to task for act­ing as if Dunham’s vision/world speaks for the major­ity of her gen­er­a­tion, which it does­n’t. Not to belabor the point, but I’d say the same thing about Sofia Coppola, were the same claims made for her (although she’s obvi­ously a dif­fer­ent gen­er­a­tion). And she’s prob­ably my favor­ite American dir­ect­or of her own age group. So it’s not neces­sar­ily a knock on the artist, just the hype.

  • Oliver_C says:

    The fact that someone at one point in their lives runs for office or holds office does­n’t nec­cessary make them a politician.”
    War is peace
    Freedom is slavery
    Ignorance is strength

  • and “Lena Dunham is the voice of a new generation.”

  • rcocean says:

    Ha ha ha, RC Ocean, I see what you did, mak­ing a racist joke that you will deny being a racist joke.”
    I’ll accept “child­ish play on a name” but not “Joke”. TC has an extremely odd name, he has a hyphen in his first name, and that “e” in his last name throws me. As an aside, I also think ‘Adam Gopnik’ has a funny last name. I can just ima­gine what the poor kid got called in school.

  • jbryant says:

    Joel: We cer­tainly don’t dis­agree about the media fawn­ing re Dunham. Luckily, she seems to be hand­ling it well and going about her busi­ness. It will be inter­est­ing to see her pro­gress with GIRLS and beyond.

  • evelyn garver says:

    Heavens! I had no idea that my joke about Lena Dunham would spark such a digres­sion. My joke was based on the “halo effect” afforded to those fam­ous in one pro­fes­sion being assumed to have know­ledge about anoth­er. I could have as well said Jennifer Lawrence or Wes Anderson. And I bet even Dunham would laugh!

  • it seems harder than ever for young people to break into main­stream film­mak­ing recog­ni­tion; where are our Andersons, Tarantinos, Coens, Spielbergs, etc? Virtually every well-known dir­ect­or I can think of, out­side the neo-neorealist and mumble­core niches, is over 35, usu­ally well over 40.)”
    Maybe that’s because many young people today really don’t give a shit about fea­ture films, except as fod­der to yak with their friends about.

  • Zach says:

    it seems harder than ever for young people to break into main­stream film­mak­ing recog­ni­tion; where are our Andersons, Tarantinos, Coens, Spielbergs, etc? Virtually every well-known dir­ect­or I can think of, out­side the neo-neorealist and mumble­core niches, is over 35, usu­ally well over 40.)”
    How old is Jeff Nichols? Because he’s the first guy that came to mind, for me. Anxiously await­ing his MUD. I was a little sur­prised to find that Shane Carruth, on the eve of only his 2nd fea­ture, just turned 40.
    But in a lar­ger sense, yeah, there isn’t any­thing like the same kind of “gen­er­a­tion­al” group out there. But there’s no reas­on to think that we ought to have a per­fect ana­logue to the Indie scene of the 90s. With all of the flux regard­ing the fund­ing and dis­tri­bu­tion of mater­i­al (a lot of which does seem to offer big poten­tial to indie people) – VOD, kick­starter, etc – it’s hard to know what will emerge next, but I have a cau­tiously optim­ist­ic feel­ing about it. Provided the world does­n’t end first, of course.

  • Joel Bocko says:

    @ Mike, yes but not just young people. That’s why I think a lot of the “death of cinema” talk, how­ever pre/portentious, was on to some­thing. That said…
    @Zach, I remain cau­tiously optim­ist­ic as well for the reas­ons you list among oth­ers. (And btw, it isn’t so much an ana­logue to the indie scene I’m look­ing for as an ana­logue to about three or four gen­er­a­tions’ worth of young film­makers emer­ging with new vis­ions, from new plat­forms – inde­pend­ent cinema, but film school/New Hollywood before that, and live TV and/or theat­er before that; and I agree, inter­net’s gotta be the ven­ue but damn if I can­’t fig­ure out how that’s gonna work yet.)
    Must admit I’m not famil­i­ar with either Nichols or Carruth, but I’ll look them up soon. I’m anxious to know what I’m miss­ing in that regard, hell for inspir­a­tion if noth­ing else.

  • Tennessee coat argu­ment does­n’t hold water. MaMei not “lying” when he said America’s found­ing fath­ers are not a politi­cian. In fact, some people at a point in their life oper­a­tion office or hold office there is no need to let them “politi­cian” – the “politi­cian” define each online dictionary:
    A per­son for per­son­al or party interests, often through the plan­ning and con­trol: “moth­er may still want their favor­ite son grow up to be President, but… they don’t want them to become politi­cians pro­cess” (John f. Kennedy).