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Aaron Aradillas on "The Phantom Menace" in 3D

By February 18, 2012January 12th, 202651 Comments

My friend Aaron Aradillas wrote the below piece for anoth­er web­site, but due to an edit­or­i­al mixup, it could not run there. That site’s loss is SCR’s gain, though, as Aaron gen­er­ously offered it to this blog. His piece begins below the film still. 

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Back in 1997, when the first STAR WARS movies were re-released (when they star­ted be known as the Original Trilogy), the tagline in the ads said, “See it again for the first time.” Beyond being a shrewd mar­ket­ing ploy, it was also an instance of truth in advert­ising. While it may be dif­fi­cult for some to ima­gine, but there was a time when STAR WARS fan­dom (and hatred) wasn’t so omni­present. The time between the release of Return of the Jedi and the re-released Special Editions (1983−1997), the STAR WARS movies were part of the cul­ture, but they were in more or less the right pro­por­tion. The expan­ded uni­verse of books, made-for-TV Ewok movies, com­mem­or­ative VHS releases were gobbled up by die hard fans, but mostly STAR WARS was some­thing from the past that got passed down from older broth­er to young­er broth­er. (When, in 1987, Mel Brooks came out with the gentle spoof Spaceballs, the STAR WARS movies were looked at as almost quaint and pos­sibly a little out­dated. Who needs STAR WARS when you had Predator?) The “What if” fantasy of Episodes I, II, and III was that—a fantasy. We were all wait­ing for the next Star Wars, but in the mean­time we made due with Tim Burton’s Batman, Spielberg’s Jurassic Park, and Independence Day.

What the box office suc­cess of the re-released Special Editions told Hollywood is that the only way to cre­ate anoth­er glob­al phe­nomen­on is to make a new STAR WARS movie. 1997 was the start of the modern-day fanboy/geek cul­ture that now runs Hollywood. Fanboy cul­ture (Comic-Con, Harry Potter, Twilight, The Hunger Games, The Lord of the Rings, J.J. Abrams, Joss Whedon, Marvel com­ics, Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, Glee, Aint-It-Cool-News, Attack of the Show) is a group­think men­tal­ity that claims to be demo­crat­ic, what with its we-know-what’s‑best-because-we’re-fans eth­ic, but is really pop cul­ture fas­cism. And it’s the fans’ demand (remem­ber, fan is short for fan­at­ic), that led to Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace—the most hyped (and pos­sibly most reviled) block­buster in movie history.

The re-release of The Phantom Menace in a con­ver­ted 3‑D edi­tion allows us to see it again for the first time in the harsh light of dis­ap­point­ment. And what does The Phantom Menace look like? It looks like what it always was; an exceed­ingly well-made spec­tacle hampered by the lim­it­a­tions of being an ori­gin story.

(For the record, the 3‑D adds more or less noth­ing to the exper­i­ence. It’s mostly releg­ated to back­ground effects. Nothing is thrown at you. And the newly added digit­al Yoda looks like the old Yoda, except maybe a little bright­er and younger.)

The Phantom Menace is like the George W. Bush of STAR WARS movies. If you make your expect­a­tions low enough it won’t seem half bad. (Okay, The Phantom Menace isn’t that bad.) With very few excep­tions (Superman, Batman Begins) ori­gin stor­ies play like home­work. There’s very little drama in see­ing char­ac­ters before they became inter­est­ing. This is what doomed the Prequels to be such a let­down. Audiences just wanted to see the key moments of Anakin Skywalker’s story. They really didn’t want to see his child­hood. (Basically we all just wanted the last hour of Revenge of the Sith.)

Of the three Prequels The Phantom Menace has the most heavy-lifting to do. It’s storyline involving “trade routes” and “tax­a­tion without rep­res­ent­a­tion” does not res­on­ate. What does come across (espe­cially after see­ing it again in theat­ers) is just how eleg­antly detailed George Lucas has made everything. The Phantom Menace kicked off a new era in digit­al film­mak­ing. Everything from The Lord of the Rings tri­logy to Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow to Sin City to Transformers to 300 to Avatar to The Curious Case of Benjamin Button used digit­al effects and envir­on­ments in ways that forever altered how we view space and move­ment. What’s shock­ing about The Phantom Menace is just how stately it looks com­pared to some­thing like, say, Transformers. Lucas, a stu­dent of silent movies and cliff­hangers, still believes in the action hap­pen­ing with­in the frame. He doesn’t go for fast cut­ting and arbit­rary jump-cuts. This allows him to do a slow build that, seen today, is kind of refresh­ing. Believe it or not, The Phantom Menace dares to take its time. You’re allowed to take in the visu­als. You aren’t being forced to scan the frame in the hopes of not miss­ing any­thing before the next edit. The detail of the city-planet Curoscant or the desert vis­tas of Naboo have a tact­ile qual­ity that is rare in today’s all-CGI-all-the-time filmmaking.

As Jedi mas­ter Qui-Gon Jinn, Liam Neeson proves to be a geni­us with his line read­ings. The char­ac­ter is noth­ing but expos­i­tion. Neeson knows this. He also knows the only way to make the char­ac­ter stick in our heads is by under­play­ing him with just a hint of bemuse­ment at the situ­ations he finds him­self in. Neeson’s deliv­ery of the line “There’s always a big­ger fish” per­fectly illus­trates his abil­ity to say a clunker of a line with just enough con­vic­tion that he gets a laugh. Ewan McGregor is won­der­ful as the young Ben Kenobi. He nails Alec Guiness’ dash­ing qual­ity while sug­gest­ing the grav­itas that is soon to come. Seeing The Phantom Menace again I admit I didn’t des­pise Jake Lloyd’s per­form­ance as young “Ani” Skywalker as I once did. Granted, he has some awful lines that would trip up the most seasoned act­ors. (His open­ing line of “Are you an angel?” is a real groan­er. Also, no one should ever utter the word “yip­pie” unless they’re being iron­ic.) But he’s very good at get­ting across the mix of impa­tience and brat­i­ness that would give the Jedi Council pause in accept­ing him. When he says, “I’m a per­son,” he shows just the right amount of anger that tells you this kid is poten­tially a bad seed.

(Hayden Christensen would take brat­ti­ness to near oper­at­ic heights in Attack of the Clones and espe­cially Revenge of the Sith.) It’s clear now that the one-and-a-half note act­ing style that garnered Natalie Portman an Oscar star­ted with her por­tray­al of Padme Amidala. The only dif­fer­ence is that that act­ing style is per­fectly suited for a square sci-fi fantasy, not a psy­cho­lo­gic­al freak-out like Black Swan. And Jar Jar Binks? I’ve nev­er been a hater. (I’m not a lov­er either.) In fact I’ve always marveled at how well he was integ­rated into the action. Interestingly, people have always com­plained about the char­ac­ter, but no one has ever objec­ted to Jar Jar Binks look­ing unreal. (Granted, Gollum in The Two Towers would take CGI-created char­ac­ters to a whole new level.)

Like Star Wars (or is it A New Hope?), the first half of The Phantom Menace is creak­ily paced. It’s all setup. (This may be the rare instance of the major­ity of a movie is setup with­in a movie that’s setup for a fran­chise.) But then the pod race occurs and the movie starts to gain momentum. The pod race remains a mar­vel of move­ment, speed, and spe­cial effects. It’s like the chari­ot race in Ben-Hur gone galactic. Seen today, in the wake of count­less smash-and-grab chases, there’s some­thing almost old-fashion about the way Lucas allows cer­tain shots to last more than a couple of seconds. The three-pronged finale of space battle, droid battle, and lightsaber duel (echoes of Return of the Jedi) is even bet­ter. The cross-cutting between the three sequences is sur­pris­ingly pre­cise. The lightsaber duel with Darth Maul (he of the facial makeup that makes him look like a demen­ted Studio 54 dan­cer), is genu­inely excit­ing. And John Williams’ score, which is rather min­im­al through­out most of the movie, comes alive with the rous­ing and fore­bod­ing “Duel of the Fates” theme. It’s the lightsaber duel where The Phantom Menace starts to get the blood pump­ing. We’re startled by both the death of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan’s genu­ine flash of anger at the death of his friend. The next two epis­odes would be bet­ter movies over­all, but it was moments like Obi-Way strik­ing down Darth Maul that would rekindle a new hope in the STAR WARS uni­verse. The abil­ity to nav­ig­ate unreas­on­able expect­a­tions and dis­ap­point­ment might be the ulti­mate tri­al of any true believ­er in the Force.

—Aaron Aradillas

 

 

51 Comments

  • Joel says:

    I think that Mel Brooks should make a pre­quel to Spaceballs, and when it fails to live up to my lofty expect­a­tions I will curse Brooks’ name all over the inter­net, pro­claim­ing that Brooks has raped my child­hood. Perhaps Brooks should sim­ul­tan­eously make the pre­quels and the doc­u­ment­ary track­ing the dis­ap­point­ment of his fans. This actu­ally sounds like an awe­some idea. Or am I the only Spaceballs fanboy?

  • lazarus says:

    Very sur­prised (and delighted) to see this defense of the film, espe­cially w/r/t Lucas’ com­pos­i­tion­al and action scene con­struct­ing tal­ents, which are etern­ally under­val­ued. And also the astute obser­va­tion on Neeson’s con­tri­bu­tion, which I always thought really anchored this. His blend of weary aus­ter­ity, humor, wis­dom, and rebel­li­ous­ness was pretty much the per­fect blend and as much as any­one could expect from a char­ac­ter we’ve nev­er heard of before, and he’s really the star of the film (mak­ing it rather ridicu­lous that he’s not even fea­tured on the 3D release poster).
    One cor­rec­tion I should point out how­ever, is that the cross-cutting at the end of the film is actu­ally between FOUR sequences, not three: space battle, droid battle, lightsaber duel, and Amidala’s return to the throne room. And in my opin­ion, Lucas bit off more than he could chew here, try­ing to up the ante from the three sequence cross-cutting in Return of the Jedi.
    A lot of the action is fun/thrilling on its own, but the momentum is often cut when it’s just start­ing, and it’s hard for the view­er to remain engaged with each sub­plot while hav­ing to wait through three oth­ers before see­ing the next seg­ment. It’s con­struc­ted as well as can be, though, with things going bad for the her­oes in all four stor­ies before the tide turns. And I’d argue that the 100% CGI droid vs. gun­gan battle does­n’t quite have the dynam­ic of the oth­er sequences.
    One review I read sug­ges­ted that the next two films are going to lend them­selves more to the 3D enhance­ment, due to the lar­ger amount of action and less “set-up”, as men­tioned here. I’m per­son­ally excited to see the night­time speed­er chase and that Harryhausen-esque arena battle with the glasses on next year, among oth­er things.

  • Aaron Aradillas says:

    @lazarus: You’re right about there being FOUR sequences going on, not THREE. I always just lumped the throne room cat-and-mouse stuff with the lightsaber por­tion. Probably because it is the least dra­mat­ic of the sequences. Also, the droid battle is fun but it lacks the emo­tion­al impact of the Ewok battle on Enor. This prob­ably because, like it or not, we spend a good amout of time with the Ewoks. (I’m always sur­prised by how moved I am when the one Ewok is killed in a blast and the oth­er Ewok tries to com­fort him. It’s the kind of emo­tion­al beat that Lucas does­n’t get enough cred­it for.)
    However, I would dis­agree that the level of susense is cut short by the cross-cutting. If noth­ing else Lucas keeps the ten­sion pretty dur­ing the lightsaber duel.
    @Joel: I’m also a SPACEBALLS fan­boy. After ZERO EFFECT, it is eas­ily Bill Pullman’s finest performance.

  • Frank McDevitt says:

    There are a hand­ful of really arrest­ing shots and sequences in Phantom Menace, and almost all of them have some­thing to do with Darth Maul, one of the most visu­ally invent­ive char­ac­ters of the dec­ade. For as prob­lem­at­ic as most of Phantom Menace was, Darth Maul is its greatest legacy.

  • Bruce Reid says:

    I can­’t even remem­ber what if any jus­ti­fic­a­tion is giv­en for their exist­ence, but that bit when the force fields force a pause on the final battle has always been my favor­ite moment from any Lucas film. Kenobi smash­ing against the invis­ible bar­ri­er with youth’s impa­tience; Darth Maul pacing, every bit the tiger in his cage; and Qui-Gon set­tling down to med­it­ate, his serenity explod­ing into action the instant he can engage the enemy. It’s fab­ulous stuff, an integ­ra­tion of char­ac­ter and action as thrill­ing as any moment in the ori­gin­al trilogy.
    Whether it’s worth sit­ting through some much clunki­er moments to get to? Not for me, but I can under­stand how oth­ers disagree.

  • Joel says:

    Aaron: He was also great in Ruthless People, play­ing “the stu­pid­est man on the face of the earth.” Maybe we can put that per­form­ance at num­ber three, behind Lone Star and Daryl Zero.

  • Aaron Aradillas says:

    Yes, RUTHLESS PEOPLE con­tains anoth­er fine per­form­ance by Pullman. I think that just about cov­ers everything. (Does any­one really want to make a case for LOST HIGHWAY? I did­n’t think so.)
    I’ve always bee a fan of the bit where the purple force field puts a stop to the lightsaber fight. (I always ima­gined they were an early ver­sion of the force field that caused the Falcon to get pulled toward the Death Star.) I admit to being a little dis­turbed by the fact that Obi-Wan could­n’t run fast enough so as not to make to end of the hall­way before they went up again. I mean, could­n’t he have jumped down the hall? I always felt the bit of Qui-Gon med­it­at­ing was what made the whole thing work. He truly is a Jedi Master.

  • Olaf says:

    There is noth­ing that will con­vince me the “Phantom” is a well-made film. Most of the dia­logue is simply laugh­able, and the reac­tion shots dur­ing the Pod race are among the most clumsy (and badly acted) I have ever seen – Lucas may have some tech­nic­al skills, but he is be one of the worst dir­ect­ors ever when it comes to coach­ing per­form­ances out of act­or. Nobody watch­ing PM would ever think that Portman has tal­ent, that Liam Neeson is a great act­or and that Pernilla August did breath­tak­ing work with Ingmar Bergman. And what does it mat­ter that Jar Jar Binks is per­fectly real­ized if the char­ac­ter itself is so insuf­fer­able? Butterfly McQueen gives a mar­velous per­form­ance in “Gone with the Wind” but the char­ac­ter she plays is still a shock­ingly racist concoction…

  • D Cairns says:

    What Olaf said.
    Lucas was obvi­ously inter­ested at least slightly in the tech­nic­al chal­lenge of Binks and top­ping his pre­vi­ous action sequences, but his dis­in­terest in story and char­ac­ter shows sheer con­tempt for his audi­ence, many of whom, to give them cred­it, actu­ally picked up on that.
    And the prob­lem is NOT the awful dia­logue. In between a few nice lines writ­ten by oth­er people, all the pre­vi­ous Star Wars films had their share of rot­ten dia­logue too. The prob­lem is that the dread­ful ver­biage is need­lessly extend­ing scenes which have no dra­mat­ic point and no human char­ac­ter. The ori­gin­al char­ac­ters were defi­antly one-note (cal­low, wise, cyn­ic­al, spunky, sin­is­ter, prissy, hairy) but the story made a nice joke of these char­ac­ter­ist­ics: you’d smile because Han said some­thing cyn­ic­al, as you knew he would. The Phantom Menace char­ac­ters mostly lack even a single defin­ing trait, and are incon­sist­ent. “Wise” Neeson scolds the vaguely middle-eastern big-nosed ali­en for gambling, as he pock­ets his win­nings (hav­ing cheated).
    I don’t actu­ally think the fan­boy back­lash was over the top. Sure, because Star Wars played an exag­ger­ated role in their lives, they over­stated how import­ant it all was (Star Wars is not import­ant at all). But their emo­tion­al reac­tion to being openly insul­ted by some­body they were pay­ing money to strikes me as appro­pri­ate in tone, if not in scale.
    “Ever get the feel­ing you’ve been cheated?”

  • LexG says:

    I WANT TO FUCK A [Message trun­cated due to “size’]

  • Oliver_C says:

    Ahem…
    “Come back, Lex G, all is forgiven.”
    – Glenn Kenny, February 17th 2012.

  • Oliver_C says:

    (PS: Forget ‘The Phantom Menace’ – you want to see some really spec­tac­u­lar embar­rass­ment, check out Lex’s latest logor­rhe­ic out­break of drunk­en, sex-starved self-loathing over at Hollywood Elsewhere, before it all gets deleted too!)

  • Aaron Aradillas says:

    @ D Caims: Well, the fan­boys did choose to go back and see THE PHANTOM MENACE more than once. They also went and pur­chased tick­ets to ATTACK OF THE CLONES and REVENGE OF THE SITH. I’m pretty sure Lucas did­n’t make ’em do it.
    You sug­gest that a few lines writ­ten by oth­er writers are the good lines. This kind of logic is exactly the kind of thing that drives me crazy. How ECAXTLY do you know which lines were writ­ten by which writer? Unless you were there I ser­i­ously doubt you can say for cer­tain. The deny­ing of cred­it towards Lucas is simply petty. (Its sim­il­ar to a cer­tain crit­ic who gives Wes Anderson all the cred­it and says Noah Baumbach con­trib­uted noth­ing. Or TINTIN is all Spielberg and Peter Jackson added nothing.)

  • Markj74 says:

    Jeez, you would­n’t want to get stuck next to D Cairns at a din­ner party!
    Aaron Ardillas is cor­rect. Lucas is always giv­en short-thrift for storytelling, usu­ally by people that either a) haven’t done their home­work or b) just don’t know what they’re talk­ing about. Anybody that doubts George Lucas’ storytelling abil­it­ies should read the tran­script of the Raiders of the Lost Ark story con­fer­ence that is float­ing around the web. Spielberg, Lucas and Kasdan all throw ideas at each oth­er and almost 90% of the great ideas that made it into the fin­ished film are from Lucas.
    I saw TPM last week, I thought the 3D con­ver­sion was atro­cious but over­all I was sur­prised at how much I enjoyed the film. It has a few flat stretches here and there but it’s a much bet­ter block­buster than any­body gave it cred­it for back in ’99.
    “Lucas, a stu­dent of silent movies and cliff­hangers, still believes in the action hap­pen­ing with­in the frame. He doesn’t go for fast cut­ting and arbit­rary jump-cuts. This allows him to do a slow build that, seen today, is kind of refreshing.”
    Absolute 100% agreement.

  • Markj74 says:

    D Cairns said: “his dis­in­terest in story and char­ac­ter shows sheer con­tempt for his audience”
    On the con­trary, Ian McDiarmid’s per­form­ance and storyline in Phantom Menace is pos­sible the most inter­est­ing of all six films. If any­thing this storyline was so subtle it went over the heads of most audi­ences – how does that rep­res­ent show­ing con­tempt for them?

  • Josh Z says:

    Weesa in da big doo-doo now!”
    Lines like that (and the movie is filled with them) could only have been writ­ten by a man who utterly des­pises his audi­ence to the core of his being.

  • Aaron Aradillas says:

    To add to what Markj74 was say­ing: If people are going to dis­miss Lucas as a ter­rible storyteller, then they must say that ALL of the INDIANA JONES movies are trrible. Spielberg has said on sev­er­al occa­sions that he is simply execut­ing his friend’s ideas. You can­’t only blame CRYSTAL SKULL on Lucas. You must also dis­miss RAIDERS, TEMPLE OF DOOM, and THE LAST CRUSADE.
    You must also say that both THX 1138 and AMERICAN GRAFFITI are worth­less as storytelling.

  • Oliver_C says:

    At least one advant­age of hav­ing a passing acquaint­ance with the ‘furry’ sub­cul­ture, as I do, is get­ting to see Jar-Jar Binks slash fic­tion and hard­core illustration.

  • lazarus says:

    Nobody watch­ing PM would ever think that Portman has tal­ent, that Liam Neeson is a great act­or and that Pernilla August did breath­tak­ing work with Ingmar Bergman.”
    Aaron already made the case for how com­mit­ted Neeson was to this per­form­ance, so we don’t need to go through that again. But I thought he delivered every line as well as it could be, and man­aged to be iconic.
    IMO August did a FANTASTIC job. You’re talk­ing about a woman who does­n’t even work in Hollywood, let alone with all the CGI crap. Now gran­ted the loc­a­tion work in Tunisia is prob­ably the most organ­ic envir­on­ment in the whole film, but she was com­pletely con­vin­cing as the con­cerned moth­er. There are some great human moments between her and Neeson (which Lucas could eas­ily have trimmed), and I actu­ally do find her farewell scene with Anakin mov­ing, as ridicu­lous as that may sound. And even moreso now con­sid­er­ing what hap­pens to her in Clones (anoth­er film I look for­ward to defend­ing with vigor).

  • Peter Scott says:

    My biggest frus­tra­tion with the pre­quels is that Lucas did­n’t make them for me. I grew up on the ori­gin­al tri­logy, but he made these new films for kids. Sure, there’s this poorly-rendered “rise of Nazi Germany” plot­line graf­ted into the rise of the Sith, which Lucas appar­ently thought would lift these films above pulp to some sort of rich polit­ic­al allegory. But oth­er than that, everything else about these films is fairly juven­ile and simplist­ic, from the dia­logue to the action to the char­ac­ter devel­op­ment to the “romance.” And that works great for view­ers under the age of 13. I don’t know a single young boy who isn’t a massive pre­quels fan. Every single one wants to be Anakin or Darth Maul. Lucas is incred­ibly suc­cess­ful at tar­get­ing a spe­cif­ic audi­ence and play­ing to them with these prequels.
    TPM is the best of the three for me, by far. The pod race does have some silly char­ac­ter moments, but over­all it’s tightly paced and edited and the sound design is excel­lent. All of the scenes with Darth Maul are great, and the long cli­mat­ic Jedi/Maul battle at the end almost makes up for most everything else I did­n’t enjoy in the film. There are some won­der­fully gor­geous shots and com­pos­i­tions in TPM, and I have to agree that let­ting the action unfold in longer takes rather than edit­ing the hell out of it is one of Lucas’ strengths here.
    Sadly, AotC is the anti­thes­is of this. It’s a dis­aster from begin­ning to end, one of the most self-indulgent, tone deaf films I’ve ever seen any dir­ect­or throw on the screen. And while I des­per­ately wanted to enjoy RotS, it is really noth­ing more than the Mother of All Toy Ads, an attempt to jus­ti­fy a massive amount of product place­ment by throw­ing as many ran­dom items into every frame as pos­sible. There is no attempt to jus­ti­fy much of any­thing bey­ond the Anakin/Obi Wan and Yoda/Dark Lord show­downs. Even these scenes are dra­mat­ic­ally hobbled by the hack­neyed per­form­ance of Hayden Christensen, who whines and mopes so much that I found it hard to believe he and Darth Vader even occu­pied the same galaxy.
    Lucas did­n’t rape my child­hood and I don’t sub­scribe to the silly notion that he’s noth­ing more than a cre­at­ive fig­ure­head atop the Star Wars empire. He simply made a tri­logy of films that cul­min­ate in such a thud­ding bore they only truly appeal to chil­dren and the hard­core fan­base. Thankfully for Lucas, there’s more than enough cash in those wal­lets to keep him afloat for dec­ades to come.

  • John M says:

    You must also dis­miss RAIDERS, TEMPLE OF DOOM, and THE LAST CRUSADE.”
    Why? Because he has story cred­it? Because he col­lab­or­ated on a treat­ment for each film?
    He was­n’t screen­writer on any of these. There’s a big dif­fer­ence between out­lining a story and actu­ally shap­ing scenes, char­ac­ters, and tempo, as you know.
    He has full “Written by” cred­it on all the most recent Star Wars movies. The dia­logue and struc­tur­ing (the gen­er­al story flow) in all of those is markedly worse than same in the above-named Indian Jones movies. The Star Wars movie that I think plays the best as a piece of storytelling, EMPIRE, was not writ­ten by him–he came up with some of the neat creatures and the over-arching “myth­os,” but the screen­play is by Kasdan/Brackett.
    Lucas is kind of a lousy writer, and has got­ten lous­i­er with age. Throw his stale dir­ect­ing onto his stale writ­ing and you get one big slug­gish crap-lasagna. What he does well is spitball.
    Apologies to all those who found great interest in Ian McDiarmid’s storylizzzzzzzzz.

  • BobSolo says:

    because Star Wars played an exag­ger­ated role in their lives, they over­stated how import­ant it all was (Star Wars is not import­ant at all).”
    I just thought that needed to be restated. A per­fect thes­is, DCairns.
    If you’re an adult com­pelled to defend a filmed jus­ti­fic­a­tion for Happy Meal toys, PLEASE take a good look at your­self. Giving these fuck­ing films more ink just con­tin­ues the cycle of abuse. STAR WARS and its ilk are why we can­’t have nice things (i.e. films made for adults).

  • BobSolo says:

    because Star Wars played an exag­ger­ated role in their lives, they over­stated how import­ant it all was (Star Wars is not import­ant at all).”
    YES

  • Aaron Aradillas says:

    If you think Lucas just out­lines and spit­balls, then there really isn’t much to discuss.

  • John M says:

    If you think Lucas just out­lines and spit­balls, then there really isn’t much to discuss.”
    Of course, he does­n’t JUST do this, but he does this best. When he takes over a script, it’s like let­ting air slowly out of a tire.

  • Aaron Aradillas says:

    Like I said, there really isn’t much to discuss.

  • StephenM says:

    I saw TPM on the big screen last night, and was sur­prised at how well some of it worked. I actu­ally got involved with parts of the story quite a bit, espe­cially on Tatooine. The pod race is still the best part of the movie and looks great on the big screen, even though 3D really does­n’t add any­thing, except to tick­et price, and the final lightsaber fight is still a clas­sic. But the final fight is chopped up with a lot of oth­er sequences that are all of wildly dif­fer­ent tones, and flip­ping back and forth between them every few seconds really des­troys the ten­sion. And I was reminded again how awful the dia­logue is, how stale and bor­ing so many meet­ing scenes get, and how com­pletely, offens­ively idi­ot­ic (and yes, racist) the Gungans are. I nev­er used to hat Jar Jar too much–I first saw the film when I was 10, and I liked him then–but this time I des­pised him with every fiber of my being.
    I went back home and watched the RedLetterMedia YouTube review of the film again. That guy defines the prob­lems in this movie so well, there’s not much else to say. (I’m sur­prised no one men­tioned him yet on this thread.) There’s major things wrong with the whole plot, major details left out (per­haps to sell books?), hor­ribly bad dia­logue, lackluster char­ac­ters, incred­ibly stu­pid actions by char­ac­ters, poor sta­ging of major­ity of con­ver­sa­tion scenes, bad act­ing, and more. I have felt com­pelled to defend this film before because it isn’t as godaw­ful as some think it is, and far too many seem to be hor­ribly offen­ded by it in a way that is very much over the top, but the fact is that much of it is just plain bad. So aside from a couple action sequences, some ter­rif­ic design, sound, and music work, and the per­form­ances of Liam Neeson and Pernilla August (Ewan McGregor is giv­en abso­lutely noth­ing to do until the final fight), this movie has noth­ing worth defending.

  • Peter Scott says:

    I don’t actu­ally get your point about the “dis­miss­ing” the Indiana Jones films. Lucas may have been respons­ible for most of the ideas and story ele­ments. He might even have writ­ten large por­tions of the screen­plays and simply giv­en cred­it to someone who “pol­ished” his work, although that seems unlikely con­sid­er­ing the ego in ques­tion here. Regardless, those fin­ished films are obvi­ously the work of Steven Spielberg and they’re simply bet­ter over­all than the pre­quels, in vir­tu­ally ever respect (I’m happy to blame Crystal Skull on Spielberg too – Spielberg isn’t per­fect by a long shot). Lucas is an ideas guy, but he did­n’t dir­ect the Indiana Jones films and it really shows.
    The Star Wars uni­verse obvi­ously ger­min­ated from one cre­at­ive mind, and he’s more than happy to admit his con­trol over the pre­quels and Red Tails. They might be cine­mat­ic, but they’re not great films. So cred­it where cred­it is due, but cred­it for shoddy dia­logue, weak plot­ting, laugh­ably flat char­ac­ter­iz­a­tion, and incon­sist­ent (at best) nar­rat­ive isn’t any­thing to crow about.

  • Jeff McMahon says:

    I’m sur­prised and dis­ap­poin­ted nobody has yet defen­ded Natalie Portman’s per­form­ance in Black Swan, which was great.
    Anyway, let’s try and cut through the hyper­bole and defens­ive­ness here. The pre­quels show Lucas at his best and worst. At best, he’s cap­able of some out­stand­ing action sequences and visu­als (the pod-race). At worst, the drama here is at best neg­li­gible and at worst baff­ling (midi­chlori­ans).
    I don’t care who you want to cred­it, but the screen­play could have used a co-writer and sev­er­al more drafts to be on the level of the ori­gin­al tri­logy. It’s dis­join­ted and rambling.
    And I thought it was gen­er­ally accep­ted by now that The Empire Strikes Back is both the best of the 6 movies, _and_ the one with the strongest cre­at­ive col­lab­or­a­tion (Gary Kurtz, Irvin Kershner, Kasdan, Brackett).

  • D Cairns says:

    You know, I hardly ever get into rows on the inter­net. I state my views on the Star Wars pre­quels, and this happens.
    I did­n’t say that Lucas has always been a rot­ten storyteller. I said that the Star Wars pre­quels are examples of rot­ten storytelling, and that Lucas is respons­ible. As he’s sole writer, that seems reasonable.
    Lucas has stated that Huyck and Katz added lines in a dia­logue pol­ish to Star Wars: A New Hope. Were their lines an improve­ment on what was there before? I would hope so, oth­er­wise why use them? And the next two Star Wars films were not scrip­ted by Lucas, though lines like “You look fit enough to pull the ears off a gundark,” could have been.
    The fact that many Star Wars fans hated Phantom Menace, went to see it again, and went to see the next two films does say some­thing rather depress­ing about the human con­di­tion. The abject fail­ure of the anim­ated Star Wars, how­ever, is heart­en­ing, because it sug­gests that there IS a lim­it to how bad some­thing with the words “Star Wars” on it can get, before people stop pay­ing for it.

  • Betttencourt says:

    Saw Phantom Menace in 3D today (I saw it three times when it came out but had­n’t seen it since), and I can­’t say it aged well (though the teen­age girl sit­ting near me who spent much of the film tex­ting – includ­ing dur­ing the Darth Maul lightsaber fight, by far the film’s best scene – cer­tainly reminded me that I was watch­ing the film in the year 2012).
    It def­in­itely has its strong suits – Darth Maul, that final sword fight, Neeson and McGregor’s per­form­ances, the Williams score, the effects and design – but it’s by far my least favor­ite of all six films. In this view­ing it felt three hours long (and though the 3D con­ver­sion was pretty good by the stand­ards of that tech­no­logy, it still seemed to res­ult in a dim­mer, less col­or­ful image, and image is most of what Phantom Menace has going for it), and both Jake Lloyd and Darth Maul were even worse than I’d remembered. I don’t blame Lloyd – he was a child, fer­chris­sake, it was the dir­ect­or’s respons­ib­il­ity to get a good per­form­ance out of him, and it’s hard to ima­gine a dir­ect­or with more artist­ic and fin­an­cial con­trol over a film than Lucas had over the Star Wars pre­quels – but Jar-Jar is utterly unfor­giv­able. Besides the argu­able racial cari­ca­ture, he is simply one of the most irrit­at­ing char­ac­ters in any film, Star Wars or not, a whiny cow­ard who is giv­en an obscene amount of screen time.
    I don’t under­stand the hate for Attack of the Clones. It’s not as con­sist­ent as Revenge of the Sith (which I think is ulti­mately crippled by the Christensen-Portman rela­tion­ship – it’s hard to base a romantic tragedy on a rela­tion­ship so utterly flat and unen­ga­ging) but it has some of the coolest scenes in all the pre­quels, espe­cially Obi-Wan’s vis­it to the clone plan­et, and that shot of the young Boba with his father­’s severed helmet/head.
    Today, how­ever, I did see a genu­inely amaz­ing and magic­al film – The Secret World of Arrietty.

  • Dan Coyle says:

    The Clone Wars anim­ated movie may have bombed in theat­ers, but the Cartoon Network series based on it is fairly successful.

  • Owain Wilson says:

    I saw the trail­er for The Phantom Menace 3D in the cinema a few months ago, and was sharply reminded of how utterly bor­ing this film is.
    Even the trail­er itself seems to be mak­ing a wry com­ment on this. The voice over guy bel­lows “EXCITEMENT!” and then we cut to a shot of the Jedi Council!

  • Betttencourt says:

    When I wrote that Darth Maul was worse than I’d remembered, obvi­ously I meant Jar-Jar Binks. Jeez.

  • lazarus says:

    Bettencourt: that shot of Boba Fett w/ Jango’s head is phe­nom­en­al. It’s moments like that which allow me to suf­fer through Lucas poor decision-making.
    And the whole Obi-Wan sub­plot of Clones is great, even more noir atmo­sphere than Empire.

  • Markj74 says:

    @Peter Scott: “My biggest frus­tra­tion with the pre­quels is that Lucas did­n’t make them for me. I grew up on the ori­gin­al tri­logy, but he made these new films for kids.”
    Here is the faulty premise that grown up Star Wars fans base all their dis­il­lu­sion­ment with Lucas on. What they have for­got­ten, or just don’t seem to real­ise, is that the ori­gin­al tri­logy was made for kids too.
    “The fans grow up. The films don’t.” – George Lucas.

  • Oliver_C says:

    Who do we dis­like more right now, J‑J or LexG? 🙂

  • Krillian says:

    Lucas’s argu­ment that the Star Wars movies are for kids gets him so far. As a kid, I had no prob­lem with the Ewoks, where­as once I grew up, I under­stood why every­one else hated them. And then I liked intro­du­cing my kids to a new tri­logy, but there was Jar Jar and midi­chlori­ans and the vir­gin birth and the fart jokes and the wooden act­ing and the cheesy dia­logue and the two-headed race announ­cer and every time a new char­ac­ter appeared or had his name said, there was a pause for the audi­ence to applaud…
    I remem­ber Terence Stamp say­ing he agreed to do the movie so he could act with Natalie Portman but she was­n’t on set that day, so he had to act off a broomstick.
    But this is what Lucas has become and has been for a long time. This is the guy who fought for years and years to have Indiana Jones fight ali­ens. My per­son­al wish is that he’d let someone else inde­pend­ently do their own tri­logy at some oth­er corner of his galaxy and just use ILM for the effects and such.

  • D Cairns says:

    This is the thing: if it’s a kid’s movie, why is it about a trade dispute?

  • MDRackham says:

    @D Cairns: This is the thing: if it’s a kid’s movie, why is it about a trade dispute?
    Ever try to teach kids to share?

  • Bettencourt says:

    No kid­ding. Here’s the second line of the open­ing crawl:
    “The tax­a­tion of trade routes to outly­ing star sys­tems is in dispute.”
    Wow, way to start an epic adven­ture, George. Really puts one in the mood.

  • Brandon says:

    The NYTimes had a rather enlight­en­ing art­icle about Lucas a few weeks ago (“George Lucas is Ready to Roll the Credits”) where he explained his vis­ion for RED TAILS as being pur­posely naïve. This is obvi­ously car­ried over from his involve­ment with, well, nearly everything that he has ever made (argu­ments for THX-1138 can go either way, I guess). He hon­estly believes that “There’s no reas­on why that ideal­ism, that kind of naïveté, can’t still exist.”
    The prob­lem I think most people have with the new­er STAR WARS films is not that they are like this, but that they are like this AND still badly told stor­ies. There may be parts that could be touted as so-called Great Cinema, but the story is still dumb.
    It is not as Joseph Campbell-like rigid or even Saturday-morning seri­al cook­ie cutter-ish as the ori­gin­als to simply be coher­ent enough to hold my (or my fan­at­ic­al inner child’s) attention.
    I know it’s old hat to bring up these argu­ments again, but that’s what we all do everytime these things are re-released, right?

  • Peter Scott says:

    @Markj74: I sup­pose I could have qual­i­fied that. Sure, the ori­gin­als are made primar­ily for kids, but they don’t talk down to them either. The drama and the char­ac­ters is still adult. In the pre­quels, everything short of Anakin’s self-destruction at the end of the final film is juven­ile. And even Anakin’s des­cent to dark­ness, with his off-screen slaughter of “young­lings” is still very PG.
    George can make that com­ment to cov­er his butt, but he’s still leav­ing his dir­ect­ori­al ass hanging out in the wind.

  • Markj74 says:

    @D Cairns: The trade dis­pute is engin­eered by Palpatine to allow his polit­ic­al takeover of the Senate. I’d actu­ally applaud Lucas for deal­ing with ‘polit­ic­al’ ele­ments in a ‘kids’ film. These plot points date all the way back to the ‘Journal of the Whills’ intro­duc­tion to the 1977 nov­el­isa­tion of the ori­gin­al ‘Star Wars’: “Aided and abet­ted by rest­less, power-hungry indi­vidu­als with­in the gov­ern­ment, and the massive organs of com­merce, the ambi­tious Senator Palpatine caused him­self to be elec­ted President of the Republic.” Those massive organs of com­merce obvi­ously became the Trade Federation and Banking Clans of the prequels.

  • jbryant says:

    Yes, all chil­dren’s films could bene­fit from more polit­ic­al con­tent. I, for one, would like to know more back­story on the elec­tions for the Mayor of Munchkinland.

  • Joe Gross says:

    The abject fail­ure of the anim­ated Star Wars, how­ever, is heart­en­ing, because it sug­gests that there IS a lim­it to how bad some­thing with the words “Star Wars” on it can get, before people stop pay­ing for it.”
    I am kinda con­fused by this. Do you mean the car­toon “The Clone Wars?” Cuz that thing has been on for four sea­sons and is embraced by the 4–7 year old set the nation over.

  • Josh Z says:

    @Joe, he’s refer­ring to the anim­ated Clone Wars movie that was released to theat­ers in 2008, pri­or to the series start­ing on cable. It was essen­tially the show’s pilot epis­ode, but Lucas thought it was strong enough to play as a fea­ture film on its own.
    He was wrong. The movie was ter­rible, and deservedly bombed at the box office.
    I’ve been told that the TV show itself got bet­ter, but after suf­fer­ing through that movie, I have no desire to find out for myself. If even a single epis­ode has Capote the Effeminate Hutt in it, I will nev­er, ever watch.

  • Markj74 says:

    @jbryant: Anyone famil­i­ar with the ori­gin­al Star Wars films should not be at all sur­prised about the men­tion of trade routes to outly­ing star sys­tems. Mos Eisley itself is a spaceport.

  • Joe Gross says:

    Ah. Understood. Sorry for the confusion.
    (I wrote this thing ten years ago about the new movies. http://web.archive.org/web/20021220164627/http://www.austin360.com/aas/xlent/051602/16cover.html
    But, yeah, the final sword fight is great and yeah, the grace note of Liam Nissen pray­ing between the shields was the one glim­mer of The Sort of Movie I Wanted Episode One To Be.)

  • Joe Gross says:

    Neeson, sorry.

  • Ryan says:

    Umm Mos Eisley was­n’t exactly a bas­tion of above board trade.