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Gravy/Oscar post-mortem

By March 3, 2014January 12th, 202625 Comments

Lasagna

So. Here’s where the gravy whose mak­ing I chron­icled on Friday ended up, mostly. Turned out pretty well all told. (I did not take the pic­ture; an appre­ci­at­ive guest did.)

What happened was, a couple of friends of My Lovely Wife and mine are talk­ing about a move to the West Coast and Claire thought it would be nice to have them and anoth­er couple over for din­ner before they flew the coop. So Claire offered a few poten­tial dates and the con­sensus accept­ances were for March 2. Once that was estab­lished we real­ized that March 2 was the night of the Oscars. Ooops! Our friends like movies but they’re not big awards mavens so we wer­en’t gonna sud­denly morph the event into an Oscar party. 

Anyway, miss­ing the Oscars was not without pre­ced­ent: last year we did­n’t see the Oscars either, because we were vaca­tion­ing in Iceland. The cere­mon­ies were tak­ing place the night before we were to fly home, I think. Because I write, pro­fes­sion­ally even, about movies and, to a less­er extent, the industry that pro­duces them, watch­ing the Oscars isn’t some­thing I frown upon, and in past years I’ve had fun (I think) watch­ing and live-tweeting and all that. But, you know, I’m not DRIVEN to watch the Oscars. On our last night in Rekjavik I wondered idly if there was­n’t some all-night bar or some­thing where Icelanders were watch­ing the Oscars—maybe that Big Lebowski-themed bar on the main drag?—with the five-hour time dif­fer­ence and all…and after a des­ultory explor­a­tion of my options, I just decided to sleep. 

Last night’s din­ner was awfully pleas­ant. I was par­tic­u­larly happy with the way I’d smoothed out the gravy, and the lasagna itself was as close to per­fect as I’ve got­ten it—moist but not wet, held togeth­er really well, and was super-tasty. I reit­er­ated to my guests how my lasagna-baking is related to the bell-casting epis­ode that ends Tarkovsky’s Andrei Rublev, and that went over well. Eventually the con­ver­sa­tion got around to music, and one of our guests asked anoth­er what he made of Bob Dylan’s Chrysler com­mer­cial. After the does-he-really-need-the-money ques­tion was bat­ted around a bit, I attemp­ted to wax philo­soph­ic­al. I shrugged and said, “Dylan’s in show busi­ness. Always has been. Show busi­ness people do com­mer­cials.” To say that show busi­ness and art-making aren’t mutu­ally exclus­ive activities/endeavors is a huge under­state­ment, and although it’s an occu­pa­tion­al haz­ard that one’s show-business activ­it­ies could have a dele­ter­i­ous effect on one’s art, I’m not one to think that Dylan’s Chrysler com­mer­cial des­troys or even sub­stan­tially recon­tex­tu­al­izes “My Back Pages” or “Masters of War.”

So any­way, we missed the first couple of hours of the cere­mony and once we tuned in I thought, I’m not gonna join the Twitter com­ment­at­ors, because why start in the middle. I know that I’ve gone through patches dur­ing which I’ve come off like The Angriest Man and/or The Biggest Asshole on Twitter, but I think I’ve straightened out my act over the past year and a half or so, which still might be too soon for me to say this, but still: Man, people sure are cranky about this stuff. I mean, I under­stand why, I sup­pose, but I can­’t quite grasp how some people can build up a head of right­eous indig­na­tion and/or feigned bore­dom with genu­inely pissed-off under­tone year after year over an event that is pure show busi­ness, and rep­res­ents the most bullshit-suffused aspects of show busi­ness. Oh no, not “grot­esque, run­away nar­ciss­ism,” right, because there’s noth­ing at all “look at me” about live-tweeting the Oscars in and of itself. Jesus. Try com­ing up with some mater­i­al, maybe. Or, like the guy in the movie ver­sion of Glengarry Glen Ross says, “You don’t like it? LEAVE.” 

See what I did there? No, I don’t either, actu­ally. But, as I’ve learned, the thing is, one need­n’t watch, and if one watches, one need­n’t say any­thing. As for myself, I won fifty bucks on a bet I was pretty stu­pid to make in the first place, so I can count myself as lucky. And I thought it was pretty god­damn delight­ful when 12 Years A Slave won Best Picture, because if there was any real justice that action alone would put the “Oscar blog­ging” cot­tage industry out of busi­ness. (If you wer­en’t fol­low­ing, the con­ven­tion­al wis­dom was that Slave was award-doomed because old, out-of-touch, Going My Way-pre­fer­ring Academy mem­bers were too a‑scared to even watch it, let alone vote it an award or three. Ooops. Also: Eat It, Toby Young!) And there are two sides to every story, as an exchange between two crit­ics I greatly admire and also per­son­ally like a great deal, Richard Brody and Dave Kehr, demon­strated this morn­ing. Linking to his own Oscar post-mortem (which is well worth read­ing des­pite its unfor­tu­nate reit­er­a­tion of a Wolf of Wall Street four-hour-director’s-cut myth) , Richard tweeted, “I hate to be a recap­per of bad news, but the Oscars had a chillingly tamped-down and neut­ral­ized uni­form­ity.” To which Dave replied “Oscars may be bland but they do sup­port an import­ant archive and lib­rary.” So there’s that. Which isn’t nothing. 

25 Comments

  • Oliver says:

    Toby Young is a mediocre troll who, hav­ing repeatedly failed as a legit­im­ate journ­al­ist (des­pite oppor­tun­it­ies oth­ers would beg for), re-established him­self as yet anoth­er rightwing Twitter loud­mouth. The last time he con­trib­uted mean­ing­fully to pop-cultural debate was when he pub­lished Oliver Morton’s art­icle ‘A General Theory of Terminators’ in the first issue of The Modern Review.

  • Joel says:

    Since I stopped using Twitter, I’ve been dis­con­nec­ted from the Universal Outrage Machine, but I agree: who com­plains about nar­ciss­ism in the Oscar cere­mony? The nar­ciss­ism’s the best part! Almost noth­ing on screen last year was as enter­tain­ing as Matthew McConaughey thank­ing all the Matthew McConaugheys through­out his­tory for the suc­cess of Matthew McConaughey.

  • mw says:

    Good points. Incessant inter­net out­rage is tire­some, espe­cially when it’s dir­ec­ted at one­self. So I can see how you may have tired of being one of the big­ger assholes on twit­ter, but you do it with such aplomb, I hate to see it end. And also the out­rage over money­makers act­ing in such a way as to make them more money. Bob Dylan is not a char­ity and the frig­gin big stu­di­os even less so. Of course they work for cash, as do most of us. And once the Clash went there, it can­’t pos­sibly get any worse. And per­son­ally, I’d hap­pily sell out to Chrysler, regard­less of their long his­tory of pro­du­cing piece of shit auto­mo­biles, or just about any large cor­por­a­tion will­ing to throw big bucks my way. Unfortunately, no one is buying.
    I got the Tarkovsky ref­er­ence, btw. I recently watched Rublev with my son, who is a fresh­man in high school, over winter break. To give you some sense of what an evil par­ent I am, when the bell seg­ment star­ted, he got excited and exclaimed: “that’s Ivan!” And he knows who you are from attend­ing a few of your screen­ings at the BPL. When I tor­tured him by tak­ing him to see Nostalghia, he recog­nized you in the hall­way. I’m doing my best to turn him off from his interest in film­mak­ing but so far it’s not work­ing. Maybe it’s time to pull out “Stalker.”
    Regarding the gravy thing, is that some kind of region­al­ism? Everyone I know would call what goes on lasagna “sauce.”

  • Kurzleg says:

    “Universal Outrage Machine” I’m totally steal­ing that, Joel.

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    MW: “Gravy” region­al­ism: New Jersey Italian. See also Lidia Bastianich: http://blog.lidiasitaly.com/2014/02/sauce-or-gravy.php

  • Gareth says:

    I liked that said lib­rary and archive got name-checked dur­ing the cere­mony: I spent a week there last year doing research for my PhD and it really is an amaz­ing repository.

  • Petey says:

    “Gravy” region­al­ism: New Jersey Italian.”
    It’s not a region­al­ism. It’s cor­rect usage.
    (BTW, was I cor­rect to take your haphaz­ard gravy-making post as a coded ref­er­ence to the fact that you thought American Hustle was the Best Picture?)

  • Chris L. says:

    It’s undoubtedly a symp­tom of hav­ing spent too much valu­able time read­ing those dreaded awards sites, but I did exper­i­ence a wave of relief when the last envel­ope was opened. Whether the out­come arose from legit admir­a­tion or a pub­lic sham­ing does­n’t change that, because it seemed to me that, more than in any recent year, this par­tic­u­lar movie just *needed* to win. Something great­er was at stake than merely revers­ing a trend of hon­or­ing mediocrity. (Of course, if they had seen fit to nom­in­ate Inside Llewyn Davis, that would have split my loyalties.)
    All in all, your approach to this stuff is health­i­er and more sens­ible (and looks deli­cious). Maybe I’ll try it next year.

  • JREinATL says:

    unfor­tu­nate reit­er­a­tion of a Wolf of Wall Street four-hour-director’s-cut myth
    Has this been dis­cussed some­where? Is the “myth” that there was a four-hour cut, that it might be released, that it is a “dir­ect­or’s” cut, some­where in between?

  • Jeff McMahon says:

    I would also like to add, for no good reas­on, that this is the first time I’ve ever seen a tomato sauce referred to as “gravy” which I’ve always thought of as basic­ally a meat-grease-based liquid, so I guess you learn some­thing every day.

  • Lascauxcaveman says:

    I was­n’t shocked or dis­mayed at Bob Dylan’s Chrysler com­mer­cial, but I found his pre­vi­ous work with Cadillac, while less ambi­tious Cinematically, to be more more cohes­ive in terms of visu­als res­ult­ing in a more nat­ur­al­ist­ic nar­rat­ive flow. It strained less and was more believable.
    But what do I know, I drive a 22-year-old Subaru.

  • Claire K. says:

    I myself still do have a dif­fi­cult time with this “gravy” busi­ness, but I feel that in our house, if you make it, you get to decide what to call it. And the altern­at­ive (you nev­er mak­ing the gravy) would just be too dread­ful to contemplate.

  • Petey says:

    Why do I get the feel­ing that every­one com­ment­ing on this was brought up eat­ing egg noodles and ketchup?
    (Everywhere I’ve trav­elled in the Italian-American belt, from Philly to NYC to New Haven to Providence, folks speak of gravy. It’s the word.)

  • skelly says:

    Petey – how is gravy’s usage in the Italian-American belt not “region­al­ism” (although some­what broad). There are over one mil­lion people of Italian her­it­age in the Province of Ontario, Canada where such usage is not at all com­mon. In fact, if you’ll for­give the anec­dot­al evid­ence, I just asked a Italian work col­league if he hears the term used and he said “only on the Sopranos”.

  • Petey says:

    “There are over one mil­lion people of Italian her­it­age in the Province of Ontario, Canada where such usage is not at all common.”
    But, c’mon. You’re Canadian. Your entire lan­guage is a pretty weird region­al dialect.
    (Sans facetious­ness, I’d argue that the Italian-American belt gets to define prop­er semantics for pasta top­pings in North America.)

  • Jeff McMahon says:

    If it’s not in Merriam-Webster’s (or urbandictionary.com) it’s not correct.

  • Ian W. Hill says:

    Gravy is cor­rect through­out the Italian-Americans of south­ern Connecticut, in my fam­ily and out­side of it, most of whom would have little use for Merriam-Webster’s, let alone urbandictionary.com. I’m pretty sure Catherine and Charles Scorsese also use the term in their son’s doc­u­ment­ary about them.

  • Petey says:

    “Gravy is cor­rect through­out the Italian-Americans of south­ern Connecticut, in my fam­ily and out­side of it…”
    My point is even broad­er. Gravy is cor­rect in the Italian-American belt, among both Italian-Americans AND non-Italian-Americans.
    This cross-ethnic hege­mony allows nam­ing rights through­out the English-speaking parts of the hemisphere.
    (Same rationale for cor­rectly say­ing that the Tomato Pie they cutely enjoy in Chicago is not “pizza”.)

  • jbryant says:

    Tangentially: I’ve nev­er heard any­one but Danny Aiello in DO THE RIGHT THING pro­nounce “pizzer­ia” the way it looks (i.e., “PIZZ-uh-REE-uh”). I’ve always heard it as “PEET-zuh-REE-uh.” I’m from Kentucky, have lived in Indiana, Illinois, California. I’m not Italian, and Danny Aiello is, so I assume he’s right. But again, he’s the only per­son I’ve ever heard say it that way. Anybody else?

  • Cadavra says:

    The prob­lem is the per­petu­al mis­un­der­stand­ing of what a “cut” is. The “four-hour ver­sion” of WOLF is undoubtedly the first rough assembly, before they began edit­ing it in earn­est. (Marty’s first assembly of NEW YORK, NEW YORK was over 5 1/2 hours, with the ball­room sequence alone run­ning around 90 minutes.)
    I’ve been recently endur­ing this myself with MAD MAD WORLD, with both Karen Kramer and Barrie Chase claim­ing the first “cut” ran five hours and that it was actu­ally shown to audi­ences. The record shows it was first pre­viewed at 210 minutes and tightened to its première length of 192 (both fig­ures minus over­ture and such). It may have SEEMED like five hours to Chase (Karen was­n’t even there at the time; she did­n’t meet Kramer until the fol­low­ing year), but it’s still nonsense.

  • Jeff McMahon says:

    I’m glad I don’t have any con­tacts with the Italian-American belt of the hege­mon­ic north­east, so I don’t have to embar­rass any­body by cor­rect­ing their incor­rect usage.

  • Petey says:

    “I’m glad I don’t have any con­tacts with the Italian-American belt of the hege­mon­ic north­east, so I don’t have to embar­rass any­body by cor­rect­ing their incor­rect usage.”
    It won’t stay that way for long. We’re plan­ning on using our hege­mony to go door to door through­out all 50 states to first try to edu­cate the nes­ci­ent, and if that does­n’t work, then we’ll send in the vocab­u­lary police to enforce prop­er usage under pen­alty of law.
    Enjoy your incor­rect usage while it lasts. And good gravy to you, sir.

  • That Fuzzy Bastard says:

    The really odd thing is that the Northeast Italian-American use of “gravy” to refer to a sauce made with toma­toes is mostly restric­ted to the Northeast. Italian-Americans in the Northwest, the South, and on the West coast all call it “sauce”, and use “gravy” to refer to sauces made from meat grease. Perhaps this is some Italian region­al pat­tern assert­ing itself?

  • Mark T Lancaster says:

    Late to this party, catch­ing up after some time away.
    Regarding sauce vs. gravy, I Googled “spa­ghetti sauce” (in quotes) and got 748,000 res­ults, where­as “spa­ghetti gravy” got 12,800 res­ults. To me, the big num­ber wins. I’ve lived my 58 years in Baltimore, MD and have nev­er heard gravy refer to any­thing but the meat-grease delight that we pour into the crater of our mashed pota­toes. Until today.

  • Petey says:

    “The really odd thing is that the Northeast Italian-American use of “gravy” to refer to a sauce made with toma­toes is mostly restric­ted to the Northeast. Italian-Americans in the Northwest, the South, and on the West coast all call it “sauce”
    (Parenthetically, to repeat myself from above, it’s not JUST Italian-Americans. I’m a non-Italian-American who was born, raised, and has spent half of his adult­hood in the Philly / NYC / New Haven / Providence cor­ridor, and I use “gravy”, as do oth­er non-Italian-Americans in the cor­ridor I’ve known.)
    As to your lar­ger point, of course Italian-Americans out­side the cor­ridor aren’t going to use “gravy”. They fear pogroms.
    But back onto the actu­al top­ic, I don’t think it’s odd. You need to have a cer­tain DENSITY of Italian-Americans, which cre­ates non-Italian-American who’ve been immersed, in order to get accept­able stand­ards for both semantics and food. And that’s why the cor­ridor is different.
    For example, I don’t think it’s a coin­cid­ence that it’s only inside the cor­ridor that you can reli­ably get decent pizza. The dens­ity raises stand­ards. Or think how in Philly, even the junky indus­tri­al Amoroso roll-making con­cern pro­duces good enough stuff to enable the robust hoagie / steak sand­wich culture.
    Of course there are oasis-like excep­tions to the rule. I hear Pizzeria Bianco in Phoenix is nice. But inside the cor­ridor mediocre pizza joints make good pies, good pizza joints make excel­lent pies, and the num­ber of excel­lent pizza joints that make sub­lime pies is enorm­ous. All about dens­ity and raised standards.

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