HunterNight of the Hunter, Charles Laughton, 1955

The digit­al guru and blog­ger Anil Dash has raised hackles in cinephile circles today with a lengthy and rhet­or­ic­ally free-wheeling (to say the least) post called “Sushers: Wrong about movies. Wrong about the world.” In this post he expresses a good deal of dis­ap­prob­a­tion against “regress­ive res­ist­ance to cul­tur­al chal­lenges.” (One of Dash’s most lively rhet­or­ic­al devices involves unpack­ing a lot of soph­ist­ic­ated lan­guage, which reflects well on his soph­ist­ic­a­tion and vocab­u­lary, but show­ing an extreme dis­in­terest in what that lan­guage might imply against his argu­ment, as in, for instance, what con­sti­tutes the dif­fer­ence between a “cul­ture” and a “civil­iz­a­tion,” or what the dif­fer­ence might be between those entit­ies and a “soci­ety” or even, heav­ens to Betsy, a “civil soci­ety.” But, you know, if I drag Heideggerean con­cepts such as “authen­t­ic being” versus “inau­thent­ic being” into this argu­ment, we’re gonna be here all day, so let’s just table the obser­va­tion for now.) In this case the regress­ive res­ist­ance is to people who want to pay money to go into a movie theat­er and treat the place like their liv­ing room: talk, text, do pretty much any­thing except engage with what’s on screen. OK, Dash is cool if they wanna engage with what’s on screen; he expresses almost awed delight, if not exactly pure solid­ar­ity, with an ostns­ibly adult male who stood up and cheered at a robot’s announce­ment of self-hood dur­ing a Transformers pic­ture. Later, Dash sniffs, “When I saw Jiro Dreams of Sushi [sic] in a theat­er with only a hand­ful of oth­ers in the audi­ence, there was con­sid­er­ably less of that kind of dra­mat­ic response, but I liked that film very much as well. It’s fine for there to be movies that encour­age quiet con­tem­pla­tion, too. If someone had pulled out a phone dur­ing the screen­ing, it wouldn’t have bothered me at all. Maybe someone did, and I didn’t notice.” It’s great for Dash that he’s cap­able of being so, you know, Zen. and I’m not being entirely sar­cast­ic here; by the end of this piece I’ll be recom­mend­ing that you, too, adapt a sim­il­ar approach. The good news for ME, per­son­ally, is that if Jiro Dreams of Sushi is Amil Dash’s idea of an ideal quietly con­tem­plat­ive sinemat­ic exper­i­ence, there’s little chance that I’m going to be shar­ing cinema theat­er space with the guy any­time soon. 

Back when he was express­ing doubts about the viab­il­ity of home video equip­ment to repro­duce cine­mat­ic exper­i­ences, Steven Spielberg com­pared the movie theat­er to a church, or per­haps a cathed­ral; I can­’t find the quote, but I feel pretty sol­id on it. In the recent book of Henry Jaglom’s con­ver­sa­tions with the great film­maker Orson Welles, Welles, who through­out the book makes small jabs at young film­makers for whom film cul­ture is the only cul­ture, recalls a much less sac­rosanct age of moviego­ing as it was done in New York City in the 1930s. “In my real moviego­ing ays, which were the thirties, you did­n’t stand in line. You strolled down the street and sal­lied into the theat­er at any hour of the day or night. Like you’d go in to have a drink at the bar. Every movie theat­er was par­tially empty. We nev­er asked what time the movie began. We used to go after we went to the theat­er. We’d go to the Paramount where they had a double bill, and see the B‑pictures, and go to laugh at bad act­ing in the Bs. You know, child­ish, stu­pid things. […] We’d leave when we’d real­ize, “This is where we came in.’ Everybody said that. I loved movies for that reas­on. They did­n’t cost that much, so if you did­n’t like one, it was, ‘Let’s do some­thing else. Go to anoth­er movie.’ And that’s what made it habitu­al to such an extent that walk­ing out of a movie was what for people now is like turn­ing off the tele­vi­sion set.” You also see, in the film writ­ing by the French Surrealists, descrip­tions of how guys like Breton or Eluard would walk in dur­ing the middle of a pic­ture, with no idea of what it was, the bet­ter to bring on the “derange­ment of the senses” they were in a Grail-like search for. None of which is the same thing as talk­ing or tex­ting dur­ing a movie, but bear with me for a moment. 

I am not a his­tor­i­an so I can­not even begin to pin­point the time dur­ing which the notion of the movie theat­er as a con­sec­rated space came into being. But giv­en cer­tain cul­tur­al signifiers—the movie line con­front­a­tion scene in Annie Hall, for instance, and that movie’s lead char­ac­ter Alvie Singer’s neur­ot­ic refus­al to enter a theat­er once the open­ing cred­its of a pic­ture have begun—I infer that the art film, the rep­er­tory cinema, and the coun­ter­cul­ture all had some­thing to do with it. As for the end of the idea of the movie theat­er as a con­sec­rated space, I could guess that future his­tor­i­ans will pin­point Susan Sontag’s 1996 New York Times Magazine piece “The Decay of Cinema” as the green flag in the race to the end of it all. What Sontag exper­i­enced as the death of cinephil­ia has become, for a gen­er­a­tion more than once removed from her own, a mini­atur­iz­a­tion and privat­iz­a­tion, as it were, of cinephil­ia, with the the­at­ric­al exper­i­ence and all its mul­ti­form glor­ies and dis­con­tents being just one aspect of it. I’m old enough to have exper­i­enced both kinds, and while in many respect I prefer the thing that Sontag lamen­ted, I’m not entirely dis­con­tent with the oth­er. What one misses, increas­ingly, is some­thing that may have always been a kind of willed delu­sion any­way: that in giv­ing over our rapt atten­tion to a screen we were enga­ging in a form of actu­al cul­tur­al com­mu­nion rather than merely con­sum­ing a product. It’s pretty clear from my read­ing of Dash that in his world, what con­sti­tutes cul­ture is ONLY product, and that really is the thing that gives him an air­tight case. Ah, materialism.

In his impa­tience with the “shush­ers,” Dash unpacks what I’ll call a fuck­load of bag­gage in order to demon­strate that the movie­go­ers who believe that they are entitled to expect a modic­um of what they under­stand to be polite beha­vi­or don’t just not “get” today’s groovy plugged-in world, but that they’re racist, too. One of his straw men (he nev­er dir­ectly quotes any­one) is of the opin­ion that talk­ing and tex­ting in movie theat­ers hap­pens “because [those doing it] are of a race/class that does not know how to behave. (These days, people say ‘act­ing ghetto’ instead of ‘I don’t like black people and their cul­ture’, or ‘white trash’ instead of ‘I should be able to tell poor people how to act’.)” Hmm. Allow me to get a little “real” here. I’ve writ­ten more than once about my moviego­ing exper­i­ences in Paterson, New Jersey in the late ’70s, and in Manhattan’s Times Square in the ’70s and ’80s. (Harlan Ellison, too, has some par­tic­u­larly vivid talking-back-to-the-screen anec­dotes from his Times Square moviego­ing days.) At my beloved Plaza Theater in Paterson, par­tic­u­larly, pat­rons, most of them African-American, came in dur­ing after­noon Kung Fu triple fea­tures with their boom boxes on, and left them on; they talked back to the screen with no com­punc­tion; some even got into knife fights with each oth­er, hal­ted, called a truce, and sat down and caught a bit of the movie. I did­n’t object to any of this, and it was­n’t because I feared for my safety if I spoke up. It was­n’t even because I felt like it would be pre­sump­tu­ous of me to do so because I was a “guest” in “their space.” I kept my mouth shut because I under­stood the tacit social con­tract gov­ern­ing this theat­er was an entirely dif­fer­ent one than the one that gov­erned, say, Cinema Village, which at that time had a smoking semi-balcony in which My Close Personal Friend Ron Goldberg™ and I could sit and puff madly at our Winstons while star­ing in silent con­cen­tra­tion at Syberberg’s Hitler: A Film From Germany or maybe a David Cronenberg triple fea­ture. But as far as the Plaza was con­cerned, it was not a case of my judging or gen­er­al­iz­ing with respect to some hos­tile “they.” It was exer­cising a little ami­able com­mon sense.

Dash later glee­fully announces, “The most pop­u­lar film industry in the world by view­ers is Bollywood, with twice as many tick­ets sold in a giv­en year there as in the United States. And the thing is, my people do not give a damn about what’s on the screen.” Dash is Indian, you see, that’s why he calls them “my people.” Goddamn John Wayne had a point about “the hyphen.” OK, that’s a bad joke (well, I don’t actu­ally think it’s that bad), but Dash does, while thor­oughly uncol­legi­al likely does not lie with respect to what is, for lack of a bet­ter term, “cul­tur­al dif­fer­ence.” Although how you even KNOW there is a bap­tism scene in The Godfather if it’s on screen while you’re com­par­ing crick­et scores is bey­ond me. Some multi-tasking I don’t get, and also, how does Dash watch a crick­et match? But still: Dash’s descrip­tion of an Indian cinema brought to mind the crit­ic­ally reviled Pirates of the Caribbean movies. These pic­tures do not func­tion as coher­ent nar­rat­ives but rather as envir­on­ments; they in a sense encour­age a mildly dis­in­ter­ested con­sump­tion. One can text and talk through it without actu­ally “miss­ing” any­thing. It’s designed that way. As are, in a sense, the Transformers movies. Yes, they do con­tain ele­ments that will sat­is­fy the deeply pas­sion­ate fol­low­er of Optimus Prime (Jesus Horatio Christ), but they are also, not to sound pat­ron­iz­ing, emin­ently ignor­able. This is not the future of moviego­ing; it is con­tem­por­ary moviegoing. 

And while we’re facing facts…well, I want to say “let’s admit,” but I hate that kind of writ­ing, so instead I’ll say that the lost Golden Age of Cultural Communion was not always all that. Before there were talk­ers and tex­ters to com­plain about there were the inap­pro­pri­ate laugh­ers; well I remem­ber a rep screen­ing of Laughton’s Night of the Hunter that was all but ruined for me and the oth­er sens­it­ive soul I saw it with when what seemed like at least eighty per­cent of an admitedly packed house roared with deris­ive laughter at what my sens­it­ive com­pan­ion and I took to be one of the film’s most touch­ingly lyr­ic­al moments, when the boat piloted by the two kids who are run­ning from Robert Mitchum for their lives floats quietly past a lily pad and frog. Remember how we used to bitch about the insec­ure folks who sig­nalled their “get­ting” every obscure cul­tur­al ref­er­ence that showed up in a Godard film sub­title by osten­ta­tiously chort­ling at it? Yeah, those guys were fun. (See today’s excel­lent Film.com piece by Calum Marsh on “Watching Movies Ironically.”)

So,while Dash’s I‑Am-The-Future tri­umphal­ism is hard to stom­ach, there are many ways in which he is, tech­no­lo­gic­ally and soci­olo­gic­ally, not wrong. New gen­er­a­tions used to get them­selves noticed by try­ing to change the soci­ety that they lived in; now they affect a soci­et­al change by the way they choose to define exper­i­ence. I think that Jason Bailey’s recent Flavorwire piece, “The Only Way To Solve Movie Theaters’ Talking And Texting Problem Is To Give In to It” makes good sense. (And it’s not as defeat­ist as you might gath­er from its title.)  I mean, let’s remem­ber a few things. First, unless you want to engage people dir­ectly, which runs the risk of lead­ing to a con­front­a­tion that could get phys­ic­al, you really can­’t con­trol oth­er peoples’ beha­vi­or. Second, “rules” only go so far. And if a theat­er­’s man­age­ment can­not make its rules count, you’re out of luck. (Look up and mem­or­ize the Serenity Prayer, people.) Third, some people really are pretty awful about not caring wheth­er your beha­vi­or is both­er­ing them or not. Dash him­self ends his post with a taunt to the shush­ers: ” [Y]ou could do that thing where you turn around and glare really fiercely—it seems to be work­ing great!” 

Actually, that brings to mind a story I am not par­tic­u­larly proud to recount, but heck, I’ll do it any­way, as it took place an awfully long time ago: 1987 or 88 if I’m  not mis­taken. I was with a friend at the very short-lived down­town arm of the Thalia rep­er­tory theat­er, and we were watch­ing a pic­ture. The Thalia was a small house, with ter­rible sight­lines and a low ceil­ing with vis­ible pip­ing, but what were you gonna do. Some guy a few rows in front of us was chat­ter­ing to a friend very, very loudly and very very con­stantly, and I said, “Would you mind keep­ing it down a little up there?” And the guy shot back, “What if I don’t,” and I glared, fiercely, and I said, “Maybe I’ll break your fuck­ing neck.” 

He shut up.

And the thing was, the movie was Beyond The fuck­ing Valley Of The Dolls. 

37 Comments

  • Peter Labuza says:

    Excellent as always GK. In response to one of your inquir­ies over when theat­ers became a “cathed­ral” so to say, I’m not sure this totally sat­is­fied your answer, but Linda Williams argues that it was PSYCHO’s strin­gent screen­ing policies that at least changed that prac­tice. For those curi­ous, it’s called “Discipline and Distraction: Psycho, Visual Culture, and Postmodern Cinema” and is loc­ated in the antho­logy “Culture” and the Problem of the Disciplines” edited by John Carlos Rowe.

  • Jeff McMahon says:

    This Dash piece reminds me that you can craft an piece with argu­ments that are val­id and hard to dis­pute in the par­tic­u­lar cul­tur­al con­text, and still be a huge raging dick.
    Also, was that a jab at Jiro Dreams of Sushi?

  • Glenn Kenny says:

    Not a jab. I just did­n’t con­sider “Jiro” all that tran­scend­ent­al. And the music had already been near-egregiously over-used…

  • preston says:

    “And the thing is, my people do not give a damn about what’s on the screen.” That’s nice. In Kolkata there are plenty of Bolly/Holly-wood cinemas where social beha­vi­or is cer­tainly on the level of a nice pub­lic house (minus the alco­hol, of course.) Just down the street in the Satyajit Ray Film Center, people sit quietly and respect­fully watch the screen, just like those prudish, shush­ing Americans. What the fuck is wrong with these people?!? Let’s go in there and show these people that “they need to find a way to accom­mod­ate us…”
    What a pecu­li­ar race card to pull…

  • David M. says:

    This is why phys­ic­al viol­ence, or the threat of it, is so very, very wonderful.

  • Psycho was indeed a key devel­op­ment in movie going habits, with a mar­ket­ing cam­paign that was built around the fact that nobody was allowed into the cinema after the film had star­ted. “It is required that you see the film from the very begin­ning!” with an image of a stern Hitch point­ing at his watch was one example, or the even more aggress­ive “No one…BUT NO ONE… will be admit­ted to the theatre after the start of each per­form­ance of Alfred Hitchcock’s Psycho”.
    Wonderful post Glenn.

  • Jesse Crall says:

    Good on you for tak­ing the time to write this, Glenn.
    Sit down, shut up, and enjoy the fuck­ing movie. If you can­’t, go to a pedi­at­ri­cian and see if you need to get a pre­scrip­tion for Ritalin. Any oth­er atti­tude in a pub­lic theatre means you’re an imma­ture, unfocused mor­on who does­n’t have the brains and soul to appre­ci­ate things in pub­lic. And in terms of the qual­ity of movies dic­tat­ing your response…Hey, I thought Transformers sucked but I would­n’t screw around in the theatre because I respect that someone else might dig it and does­n’t need me wreck­ing their exper­i­ence because I’m “above it” or some­thing. Real life is a bitch; I don’t need oth­er people intrud­ing on my 2 hour escape.
    And yeah, lets take India’s lead because it’s such a thriv­ing uto­pia. Sure thing.

  • Thomas says:

    @Jeff McMahon – Except I’m not see­ing the argu­ments that are “val­id and hard to dis­pute.” I’d say it’s pretty damn easy to dis­pute Dash’s raging hyper­bole and logic­al fal­la­cies – see, for example, Matt Zoller Seitz’s responses on that site.

  • Joel E says:

    “This Dash piece reminds me that you can craft an piece with argu­ments that are val­id and hard to dis­pute in the par­tic­u­lar cul­tur­al con­text, and still be a huge raging dick.”
    Valid and hard to dis­pute? A theat­er is a privately-owned busi­ness where each pat­ron “rents” a seat for a par­tic­u­lar show. Theaters, oper­as, res­taur­ants, they all are the same basic busi­ness pro­pos­tion as a movie theat­er. You must behave by the rules and most import­antly, respect the estab­lish and the oth­er pat­rons or be sent out on your douchey ass.
    If we both paid for din­ner in a giv­en res­taur­ant, but I chose to stand next to your table and talk loudly through your entire meal, fart repeatedly, and stare at you the entire time, you’d likely ask for the staff to throw me out. And they would, because my beha­vi­or viol­ates the rules and accep­ted social con­duct. But what I was doing was “nor­mal” and not neces­sar­ily illeg­al or even out­side the norm of pub­lic dis­plays. It’s just not accept­able when we’ve both paid for a peace­ful eat­ing experience.
    A movie theat­er should­n’t be any dif­fer­ent. People who insist on doing whatever they damn well please in a theat­er can first suck a bag of dicks, and then blow me. We both paid (the­or­et­ic­ally) and you have no right to ruin my expect­a­tion of get­ting my money’s worth.

  • PaulJBis says:

    I don’t remem­ber off­hand who this Anil Dash per­son is. Isn’t he one of those Silicon Valley types? If so, I see this just as anoth­er expres­sion of the unbere­able sense of enti­tle­ment that is afflict­ing those people lately, on par with the forest wed­ding of that Facebook cofounder. “I do what I want, because I am a diger­ati and I rep­res­ent the NEW. Oh, and I’m rich, you knew that?”
    Yes, I know this is an ad-hominem, but hon­estly, his argu­ment is so ridicu­lous that isn’t worth deal­ing with. What Mr. Dash needs is for someone to attend his next pub­lic speak­ing event and start play­ing smart­phone games as loudly as pos­sible while he is talk­ing, only to stop as soon as it’s someone else’s turn to speak. That would be a bet­ter demostra­tion of why he is wrong than any ration­al argument.

  • Dan Humphrey says:

    You’re my new favor­ite film blogger!

  • Clayton Sutherland says:

    I remem­ber Roger Ebert, a few years ago, men­tion­ing a light-up pen that he used to take notes dur­ing screen­ings. I ima­gine a num­ber of crit­ics do this. Which begs two questions:
    1) Could this light source not cre­ate a dis­trac­tion for oth­er indi­vidu­als at the screening?
    2) How “con­sec­rated” could the screen­ing be if a num­ber of crit­ics are not com­pletely focused on what they’re watch­ing, because they’re tak­ing notes?
    Slightly off-topic, I know, but related to the over­all “immer­sion” factor.

  • Pete Apruzzese says:

    You deal with a guy like Dash simply: when he opens his phone to tweet, text, or whatever, you acci­dent­ally spill a large Coke (but not a Diet Coke, you need the sug­ar to ruin the cir­cuitry) on him and his device. Apologize pro­fusely and leave. If he comes after you, apo­lo­gize again and keep walking.

  • Grant L says:

    I keep hop­ing it’s just some soci­olo­gic­al cliché pro­pounded by worry­warts in think pieces, but I see evid­ence of “the defin­i­tion of healthy self-esteem in America has gone from ‘I’m just as good as any­body else’ to ‘I’m the cen­ter of the uni­verse, deal with it’ ” nearly every day.

  • mw says:

    Have you been to the Kent on Coney Island Boulevard? It’s a place some­thing like you describe. It’s cheap and run down and a lot of lower income young people go there to see block­busters. So where I’d get irrit­ated at people and their cell phones or little asides as if they were watch­ing a movie in their liv­ing room if I’d paid enough to feed a poor fam­ily Chad for a week, or at least $13, in a hi tech theat­er with nice, com­fort­able, stadium-like seat­ing. I mean, it’s easy to catch a $5 show and it’s only $8 max and the refresh­ments are mod­er­ate, to put it mod­er­ately. These days, when I can settle into a $5 movie with a $1.50 bottle of Jarritos, I can be pretty mel­low about the chit­ter chatter.
    But I found I did have my lim­its. One day I arrived a little late, and after stum­bling around in the dark for awhile, sat down next to a couple and the guy just kept up a con­stant stream of babble about everything he was think­ing about the movie as he thought it. At first, I did­n’t pay much atten­tion. Then, it kept up and I began to con­grat­u­late myself for my calmness. It did­n’t stop and I politely asked him to keep it down. That worked for all of 5 seconds and there­after my requests became less and less polite. Finally, I cracked and said out load so the whole theat­er could here: “are you fuck­ing retarded, or what,” got up and found a seat as far away as pos­sible. And of course when the lights went up, it turned out that yes, he was, shall we say, men­tally han­di­capped, as was almost every­one else in the theat­er. Seems it was some kind of insti­tu­tion­al out­ing. Anyway, I think that little anec­dote relates. And I found a related les­son or two in there somewhere.

  • Betttencourt says:

    I don’t expect most people (or pretty much any­one else besides me) to have the sort of “con­sec­rated” view of moviego­ing that I increas­ingly have as I crawl through middle age, but what sur­prises me more and more is the appar­ently com­plete lack of interest the tex­ters have in what’s going on screen, as well as how this illu­min­ated beha­vi­or does­n’t faze their actu­al companions.
    When the young guy sit­ting a few seats away from me spends most of THE CONJURING (not just the expos­i­tion scenes but the major set pieces) look­ing at his phone, or the teen­age girl nearest me is sim­il­arly occu­pied dur­ing PHANTOM MENACE’s pod-race (in the mir­acle of crappy con­ver­sion 3D), I won­der not only why does­n’t it both­er the friends sit­ting with them, but why they’re even in the movie theat­er in the first place (and this is no defense of the over-hyped CONJURING and the getting-even-worse-with-age PHANTOM MENACE).
    However, if you hap­pen to wear a hood­ie, put­ting up the hood is great for block­ing the light from the people in your row, if not the people fur­ther down. I recom­mend it.
    Also, re: “but I see evid­ence of “the defin­i­tion of healthy self-esteem in America has gone from ‘I’m just as good as any­body else’ to ‘I’m the cen­ter of the uni­verse, deal with it’ ” nearly every day.”
    This last part is par­tic­u­larly true if you watch the way people drive in L.A. I’m reminded of the bump­er stick­er allegedly sighted in Berkeley – “Forget World Peace – Visualize Using Your Turn Signal.”
    But back to movies – I know I’m late to the game, but I just watched THE APU TRILOGY for the first time. Holy crap those are great movies.

  • jbryant says:

    I’m try­ing to fig­ure out what it means that Bollywood, “the most pop­u­lar film industry in the world” has an audi­ence that appears to be entirely made up of people “who do not give a damn about what’s on the screen.” I guess it takes a lot of pres­sure off the film­makers to actu­ally be good, at least.
    I’m gen­er­ally pretty lucky in that I mostly see films in a mod­est mid­west­ern mar­ket that always has sparsely atten­ded mat­in­ees in which no one ever causes any trouble (so far). But for the life of me, as oth­ers have men­tioned, I will nev­er under­stand why any­one would pay to sit in a darkened theat­er enga­ging in a more-or-less free activ­ity such as tex­ting or check­ing email while ignor­ing the thing you paid for.

  • Evan Connell says:

    My fath­er in law, who can be quite gruff at times, was at the cinema some time ago, and there were folks sit­ting dir­ectly behind him, munch­ing on potato chips very loudly, mak­ing a din of rust­ling, crunch­ing and mas­tic­a­tion. After a while of put­ting up with it, he turned around, glared at them and said “try suck­ing on them”.

  • andy says:

    I will hap­pily con­front any­one (although I am per­fectly happy to start off with politesse), even get­ting up and walk­ing to where they are, be it little old ladies or teen­agers who might beat me up. Actually, one time in NY I thought that might be the case, so I just kept snap­ping my fin­gers behind the per­son’s head. Worked like a charm. Another time here in Portland about eight teen­agers walked into the middle of Rachel Getting Married and pro­ceeded to gab. I walked over and said, “You know, we actu­ally paid for this movie.” This being the NW, they were imme­di­ately abashed and apo­lo­get­ic, and later when the dude at the oth­er end of the chain who had­n’t got­ten the mes­sage star­ted talk­ing, they all vehe­mently shushed him themselves.

  • Noam Sane says:

    “…when the boat piloted by the two kids who are run­ning from Robert Mitchum for their lives floats quietly past a lily pad and frog.”
    I had pre­cisely the same exper­i­ence – this was a Night of the Hunter show­ing at the Castro in SF, late 90’s. What is there to laugh at? And if you find a frog hil­ari­ous, why aren’t you down by a creek some­where hav­ing a riot?
    Hell is oth­er people.

  • Joel G says:

    Is it really that bad? I find that no one respects the rules at the lib­rary any­more, but I gen­er­ally have good luck at the movies–or at least dimin­ished expect­a­tions. On the oth­er hand, the “soph­ist­ic­ated” snick­ers at old movies are the abso­lute worst. I used to get a lot of that at Film Forum in the late 90s. What lun­at­ic would feel super­i­or to Night of the Hunter?

  • Jonathan Woollen says:

    I’ll nev­er for­get the open­ing night of The Fellowship of the Ring, dur­ing which any quiet settled over the audi­ence fol­low­ing some onscreen dis­aster (say, get­ting trapped by rock­fall at the mine gates), the full-grown man beside me would (at least five times over the course of the movie) chuckle for a bit and “break the ten­sion” by yelling, “Well, that would suck.”

  • MarkVH says:

    Joel, it’s kind of scary how pre­val­ent the “laugh­ing at old movies” dis­ease is. I got into a tiff with a com­menter over at Poland’s blog (yeah, I know, nev­er a good idea), who wore it as some kind of badge of hon­or that he “laughed aud­ibly” the first time he saw Sunset Boulevard (“in a classroom,” he claimed, as if that made it ok) in an attempt to prove his argu­ment that act­ing in old movies was “hammy” and there­fore the craft had “vastly improved” in the time since.
    Funny thing is, I went through the cinema stud­ies grad pro­gram at NYU recently, think­ing I’d be among like-minded film stu­dents who’d got­ten over that sort of thing. Boy, was I naïve.

  • Jeff McMahon says:

    Folks, I did­n’t actu­ally think the guy’s points were val­id and hard to dis­pute, EXCEPT with­in his very nar­rowly tailored, pos­sibly non-existent cul­tur­al con­text, which is the key­stone to his argu­ment. And then I did­n’t feel like both­er­ing with tak­ing that argu­ment apart since oth­ers had done it so well.
    My favor­ite laugh-to-show-you-get-it theat­er memory is the guy in the screen­ing I atten­ded of The Red Violin, 14 years ago, who chuckled every time some­thing iron­ic happened, which in that movie was a LOT.

  • george says:

    The Orson Welles com­ments are reveal­ing about a time when people went to movies as cas­u­ally as people channel-surf TV today. At least until the ’50s, people did­n’t go to “a movie.” They went to “the movies.” They went to see whatever their neigh­bor­hood theat­er was show­ing, pretty much every week. Didn’t mat­ter if it was a Gable-Crawford vehicle or a crappy B movie. They saw it anyway.
    The col­lapse of the stu­dio sys­tem, the rise of tele­vi­sion, increas­ing admis­sion prices and, yes, Hitchcock’s policies with “Psycho” led to each movie becom­ing an “event.”

  • D Cairns says:

    I have shushed Sean Connery at a film fest­iv­al he was pat­ron of.
    I have thrown balled-up paper at whisper­ers when shush­ing them did­n’t work.
    I have had a cop­u­lat­ing couple ejec­ted because his belt buckle was jingling too loudly.
    For evil to tri­umph, all that is neces­sary is for shush­ers to do nothing.

  • jbryant says:

    MarkVH: I don’t know who you are at the Hot Blog (I’m Yancy Skancy), but I was in on that SUNSET BLVD tiff, too. Ever since then, whenev­er I see a hammy per­form­ance in a recent film or TV show (which is rather often), I think of that guy’s ridicu­lous argu­ment and chuckle.

  • Cadavra says:

    A year or so ago, I was at UCLA to see the première of their res­tor­a­tion of an early Anthony Mann called STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT. You could hear the pro­ver­bi­al pin drop through­out the screen­ing, espe­cially dur­ing a hor­rif­ic train wreck that comes out of nowhere. One month later, it played the Film Noir fest­iv­al at the American Cinematheque. Unfortunately, there were three gor­il­las (sit­ting right behind me, of course) who found the train wreck (and sub­sequent scenes of bloody bod­ies being hauled out) the fun­ni­est god­damn thing they’d ever seen and howled with laughter. and as you know, laughter is con­ta­gious, and pretty soon every­one was laugh­ing, and it con­tin­ued right to the end of the film. I was furi­ous, but there was noth­ing I could do about it. However, it does prove that it only takes one weasel to pois­on the well.
    As for first-run movies, just do what I do: Wait a couple of weeks. The stu­pid kids will have moved on, and we grown-ups can enjoy the movie in darkened peace.

  • mazi says:

    It’s part of the new cul­ture. If you go to a mul­ti­plex, where their speak­ers (all 85 of them) are cranked up to 11, where you get 20+ minutes of digit­al tele­vi­sion com­mer­cials before the main trail­ers even start, and then you get upset when someone talks or texts? Sorry, that’s silly.
    Personally, it’s easy to avoid that if it both­ers you: go see olden-tyme films at a reviv­al house, or go see arty for­eign films at an art house. Or, as Cadavra just poin­ted out, go sev­er­al weeks after the film opens. Otherwise, someone talk­ing or tex­ting dur­ing the 3D ver­sion of The Great Gatsby? Ha! No prob­lem: it’s part of the spectacle.

  • Steve says:

    So people who are open to the pos­sib­il­ity that Hollywood could pro­duce a film that amounts to some­thing more than noisy spec­tacle should just shut up and put up with the talk­ing and tex­ting? Or at least wait a few weeks before going to the mul­ti­plex, in defer­ence to 13-year-old Facebook addict’s del­ic­ate sens­ib­il­it­ies? Not to men­tion that plenty of people don’t live near a reviv­al house or even an art­house (and if they do, they gen­er­ally don’t talk about “olden-tyme films” or “arty for­eign films.”)

  • mw says:

    This argu­ment goes back pretty much to the dawn of human civil­iz­a­tion. Everything would be hunky dory if those damned kids would just get the hell off of the old man’s lawn.

  • george says:

    I’ve found that the loud­mouths, rude people and 13-year-olds gen­er­ally don’t go to for­eign or inde­pend­ent movies. (If they do wander in by mis­take, they usu­ally leave pretty quickly, bored out of their minds.) You’ll find them at the open­ing week­ends of blockbusters.

  • Steve says:

    George, I’ve encountered far more loud­mouths and rude people among the retir­ees at MOMA than at New York mul­ti­plex audi­ences. To be fair, oth­er arthouse/rep audi­ences here are better.

  • george says:

    http://thedissolve.tumblr.com/tagged/alamo-drafthouse
    Maybe some theat­ers could bor­row this PSA from the Alamo Drafthouse in Austin, Texas.

  • george says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L3eeC2lJZs
    The Alamo Drafthouse kicks people out for talk­ing and tex­ting dur­ing movies. Of course, not every­one is happy about this, and some­times they make their feel­ings known …
    Soundtrack not safe for work, unless you’re wear­ing headphones.

  • Bettencourt says:

    Young people are the worst about tex­ting and oth­er lit-up phone uses, but I find over­all that older people are much worse about talk­ing in theaters.

  • Gene says:

    Are you being ser­i­ous call­ing that piece by Calum “excel­lent,” or is that sarcasm?
    Like most (all) of Calum’s writ­ing, it’s filled with (as you pre­vi­ously poin­ted out) unanswered ques­tions. In fact, when he’s not ooz­ing juven­ile scorn (see his review of Place Beyond the Pines in a column ded­ic­ated to that kind of shit-talking), his cri­ti­cism amounts to a series of not-very-provocative ques­tions mixed with arrog­ant, ahis­tor­ic­al opin­ions and the marked absence of any kind of actu­al, you know, ana­lys­is whatsoever.
    So again, I ask, are you ser­i­ous about that??

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